Piedmont Airlines News & Rumors
06-02-2018, 05:10 AM
#2091
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Flow
My wife is a director and she has gone over the statistics in meetings . Attrition is high and seniority moves up quickly at the bottom for the first three years . After the three year mark the number of leavers ahead of you slows down nearly 40 Percent. Also note she is not in aviation , management know this and still push out flow in 5 ....
06-02-2018, 06:02 AM
#2092
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My wife is a director and she has gone over the statistics in meetings . Attrition is high and seniority moves up quickly at the bottom for the first three years . After the three year mark the number of leavers ahead of you slows down nearly 40 Percent. Also note she is not in aviation , management know this and still push out flow in 5 ....
06-02-2018, 08:33 AM
#2093
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You would think that, but then you don't realize how many people don't have degrees at this company and are too lazy to update their apps let alone attend a job fair.
People ballpark the attrition at 5 per month but in the past year it's averaged about 3 from my seniority (hint: I'm junior AF).
06-02-2018, 09:29 AM
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You would think that, but then you don't realize how many people don't have degrees at this company and are too lazy to update their apps let alone attend a job fair.
People ballpark the attrition at 5 per month but in the past year it's averaged about 3 from my seniority (hint: I'm junior AF).
People ballpark the attrition at 5 per month but in the past year it's averaged about 3 from my seniority (hint: I'm junior AF).
06-02-2018, 11:29 AM
#2095
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I bet we see the degree requirement dropped in the future. The most interesting thing to me is, everyone says the flow is 8+ years and maybe so. However will regionals even exist in 8 years? If you add up the total number of mainline retirements the next 8 years it surpasses the total amount of current regional pilots.
I think everyone is a little overly optimistic about flow times, hiring, and wages on this forum.
I expect to flow in 6 years which would make it about a 7 year flow. I also expect AA and the regionals to shrink when gas goes back up in price because the margins are razor thin here and the hiring will stagnate. I also think the regional model is here to stay because it is the true veteran of recession economies. People are willing to work for cut throat wages when they don’t have another job opportunity that suits their skills. This has been proven time and time again throughout the years.
That being said, it would be nice to be pleasantly surprised rather than disappointed.
06-02-2018, 12:47 PM
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Military pilots still make up a considerable portion of mainline hires and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
I think everyone is a little overly optimistic about flow times, hiring, and wages on this forum.
I expect to flow in 6 years which would make it about a 7 year flow. I also expect AA and the regionals to shrink when gas goes back up in price because the margins are razor thin here and the hiring will stagnate. I also think the regional model is here to stay because it is the true veteran of recession economies. People are willing to work for cut throat wages when they don’t have another job opportunity that suits their skills. This has been proven time and time again throughout the years.
That being said, it would be nice to be pleasantly surprised rather than disappointed.
I think everyone is a little overly optimistic about flow times, hiring, and wages on this forum.
I expect to flow in 6 years which would make it about a 7 year flow. I also expect AA and the regionals to shrink when gas goes back up in price because the margins are razor thin here and the hiring will stagnate. I also think the regional model is here to stay because it is the true veteran of recession economies. People are willing to work for cut throat wages when they don’t have another job opportunity that suits their skills. This has been proven time and time again throughout the years.
That being said, it would be nice to be pleasantly surprised rather than disappointed.
Obviously major events can change that. However if we continue on our current economic path anyone that wants a job at a major will have one within 3-4 years.
I don’t think there’s as many military pilots as some people think. Plus they are upping their retention bonuses. Our government isn’t going to continue to let all of its pilots walk out the door without fighting to keep them.
Keep this stat in mind. By 2024
SWA, DAL, UAL, AAL, FDX, and UPS
Will have a combined roughly 17,000 pilots retire.
06-02-2018, 01:01 PM
#2097
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Well unless someone has major skeletons in the closet I don’t think anyone will have to be at Piedmont or any other regional for 7 years. I think they’ll be able to be hired at a major of their choice within 4 years.
Obviously major events can change that. However if we continue on our current economic path anyone that wants a job at a major will have one within 3-4 years.
I don’t think there’s as many military pilots as some people think. Plus they are upping their retention bonuses. Our government isn’t going to continue to let all of its pilots walk out the door without fighting to keep them.
Keep this stat in mind. By 2024
SWA, DAL, UAL, AAL, FDX, and UPS
Will have a combined roughly 17,000 pilots retire.
Obviously major events can change that. However if we continue on our current economic path anyone that wants a job at a major will have one within 3-4 years.
I don’t think there’s as many military pilots as some people think. Plus they are upping their retention bonuses. Our government isn’t going to continue to let all of its pilots walk out the door without fighting to keep them.
Keep this stat in mind. By 2024
SWA, DAL, UAL, AAL, FDX, and UPS
Will have a combined roughly 17,000 pilots retire.
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