evrbodysmugglin

Just getting my popcorn ready for the 23

The flavor on the bag says underwhelmed with side notes of disappointing and an angry finish

flybywp

I was being generous with the 6 months. I have a buddy at PSA who started LOE 9 weeks after his first day of indoc.

Things are moving quickly in this industry right now. Spending nearly your entire first year with the company at home on "vacation" making 2200/month while your peers at other airlines are building time to apply to the majors, you're falling behind. If you want to sit back, relax, and wait for a flow with no guaranteed timeframe, then this is the place for you. If you want to start building time to get to a major ASAP, this may not be the place for you.

evrbodysmugglin

Newsflash. There is no ASAP to a major in civilian aviation. Average hire times are between 6500-10000 new FOs have had sunshine blown up those arses by riddle for years. Sorry to be the voice of reality for you guys.

123494

So if you upgrade from ERJ FO to CA, you’re not eligible for flow until a year after finishing CA training?

flybywp

I'm aware of the movement within the industry, but there have been a growing number of people hired well before reaching anywhere close to those hour timeframes. That's not my point though. Besides choosing a regional for a base, people often pick a regional that will give them the fastest career progression with a quick upgrade. PDT was advertised (at least to me) to have a quick upgrade and the fastest progression in the industry, yet little did I know that it takes 9+ months to reach the line. So that 12-15 month upgrade? More like 3 years.

evrbodysmugglin

Yep. Gotta get that investment
Out of your flesh

BeechPilot33

Not to beat up on ya buddy but you can tell your fresh off the block. Upgrades times used to be 6-8 years and now guys complaining about 3 months and free vacation time from the line. Just think about it. Your seriously complaining about 3 months out of a 30 year career. Your PSA or insert regional BUD will be on reserve for those 3 months so he won't be building hours faster than you. You can also pick up open time and scheduling will fly you all day every day I can assure you that. Trust me if it takes you 2 years to be a CA that is lightning fast and you better pay attention while your an FO because 2 years goes by fast.

In the very recent past guys would upgrade at year 6 then spend 2 years in the left seat to get picked up at a legacy. And many would have to wait longer or never get picked up. Now its guaranteed in that time frame and guys are upgrading at 2 years and going to Delta, UAL, Jetblue, Spirit. You've got the right idea upgrade but apply everywhere you want to work while your still an FO. DO NOT wait for the flow it's better to have 2 years seniority somewhere else when hiring is 800 a year it makes a massive difference in this seniority based industry. Buddy of mine was an FO, went to F9 for a year and now is in new hire class at Delta. No PIC time at all. Its a different industry with all the hiring going on. Apply, go to job fairs, network, that is key.

BeechPilot33

Envoy just passed an LOA that REQUIRES you be a CA for 1 year before flowing. So guys that are waiting it out just look around at whats going on.

babs

This is not entirely true. At Envoy, you could easily request and/or be forced to displace to CA with no seat lock at all. All the new LOA does is require someone to have held a CA position before flowing after Jan ‘19 I believe.

It is true that if you put in a preference for CA and you are awarded it, you will be held for 1 year before flowing.

Otterbox

PDT new hire FO with 2500hrs SIC time (no PIC) started working job fairs before he was on property, went to his second one while he was on his training delay vacation and is now at Delta.

Time off doesn’t hinder career progression if you use it correctly...