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04-01-2018, 10:36 AM

#1591

MantisToboggan

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Originally Posted by Iregretnothing

I demand to see the math they are using to confidently tell a new hire in the 700's on the seniority list that the flow is 3-5 years. They must expect to lose a lot of people to attrition.

Nope, they’re just fine with blatantly lying to your face. I hope you guys who are new don’t actually believe that bs...

04-01-2018, 10:37 AM

#1592

PDTFlyer

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Originally Posted by Iregretnothing

I demand to see the math they are using to confidently tell a new hire in the 700's on the seniority list that the flow is 3-5 years. They must expect to lose a lot of people to attrition.

Or the flow is going to be increased dramatically and they just haven’t told us..

04-01-2018, 11:03 AM

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67Creek

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Originally Posted by PDTFlyer

Or the flow is going to be increased dramatically and they just haven’t told us..

Possible, but I think it's more likely that (1) the lawyers determined their claims can't be held against them, so why not be deliriously optimistic, and/or (2) they're using the best case scenario as their example (the pilots that got hired in mid 2015, who will see a <5 year flow).

For the new hires, the current rate of total attrition (flow, retirements, resignations) would have to immediately double, and stay that way, to see a 5 year flow.

04-01-2018, 11:17 AM

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MantisToboggan

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Originally Posted by 67Creek

That attrition would have to be people senior to them the entire time they are on property too. So if you’re twenty spots away from flowing, all of the attrition that takes place would have to be people senior to you. Very unrealistic

04-01-2018, 11:42 AM

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67Creek

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Originally Posted by MantisToboggan

I did factor that in. I'm showing the bottom of the list flowing at 9 years 9 months, based on the rate of attrition that took place between February and March, accounting for the fact that attrition doesn't take place only at the top of the list.

04-01-2018, 12:24 PM

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123494

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Was increasing the flow numbers ever brought up during these contract negotiations?

04-01-2018, 01:55 PM

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PDTFlyer

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Originally Posted by 123494

Was increasing the flow numbers ever brought up during these contract negotiations?

Don’t think so. Pure speculation on my part. Numbers don’t add up..

58 Jets = 580 Pilots, if that’s the case we are staffed and in no need of doubling our training capacity like training dept is building up to.. Only thought I have is more planes, more flow...

04-01-2018, 03:47 PM

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123494

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Maybe they’re doubling it so it doesn’t take 6+ months to get through training

04-02-2018, 02:30 PM

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MKUltra

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Originally Posted by PDTFlyer

Unfortunately we only have about what.. 320 pilots qualified.. of which a large amount will be in upgrade shortly. We will be lucky if we can have 400 line qualified pilots at end of year... Get your summer k y in stock..
To those force extended and junior manned today, this is just the beginning of what is to come..