Piedmont Airlines News & Rumors
01-22-2018, 07:19 AM
#1321
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I'm still curious how PDT still thinks their flow is so fast. Envoy's flow SLOWS DOWN to match PDT's flow. Envoy flowed more than 13 percent of its pilot group this past year. PDT flowed under 9 percent. (If someone has more accurate pilot numbers and flow numbers feel free to correct.).
How does PDT calculate flow? Do you use attrition in your calculations? Growth has significant implications on flow. How generous are you with your forecast? How many bypass the flow? Thanks
How does PDT calculate flow? Do you use attrition in your calculations? Growth has significant implications on flow. How generous are you with your forecast? How many bypass the flow? Thanks
01-22-2018, 08:03 AM
#1322
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See back when piedmont only had like 350 pilots along with a good chunk of people bypassing, they probably did have the fastest flow. Now they've about doubled their pilot group but still have the same amount flowing. Envoys flow is slowing down for sure, but psa just recently increased their flow. Right now it's a little murky on who has the quickest flow to aa.
It's 9.6 years as it sits if you were hired today, being #662 on the seniority list. This number is based on 0 attrition to retirements, outside hiring, or those who choose to bypass the flow. This number is also based on month of hire and not year of hire.
PSA is relatively easy to figure out as well now, since its 10 pilots per month.. Lets say for the sake of speculation, that their most junior flowee is 10% on the list. They have 1670 pilots on the list according to APC. 1670-167=1503 pilots who want to flow. 1503/10=150.3/12=12.5 Years.
ENY is more difficult. I have an average in my head based on roughly 20 pilots per month (averaging the protected pilots min flow, <2014 DOS min flow, and then the >2014 DOS Flow) but it's anyone's guess as to how accurate it is. It's around 8.6 years.
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01-22-2018, 01:33 PM
#1323
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That would be false, as we had 3 people flowing with 350 pilots. The math is 3 pilots for the first 350 plus an additional 1 pilot per 125 above 350. We currently flow 5 pilots per month.
It's 9.6 years as it sits if you were hired today, being #662 on the seniority list. This number is based on 0 attrition to retirements, outside hiring, or those who choose to bypass the flow. This number is also based on month of hire and not year of hire.
PSA is relatively easy to figure out as well now, since its 10 pilots per month.. Lets say for the sake of speculation, that their most junior flowee is 10% on the list. They have 1670 pilots on the list according to APC. 1670-167=1503 pilots who want to flow. 1503/10=150.3/12=12.5 Years.
ENY is more difficult. I have an average in my head based on roughly 20 pilots per month (averaging the protected pilots min flow, <2014 DOS min flow, and then the >2014 DOS Flow) but it's anyone's guess as to how accurate it is. It's around 8.6 years.
It's 9.6 years as it sits if you were hired today, being #662 on the seniority list. This number is based on 0 attrition to retirements, outside hiring, or those who choose to bypass the flow. This number is also based on month of hire and not year of hire.
PSA is relatively easy to figure out as well now, since its 10 pilots per month.. Lets say for the sake of speculation, that their most junior flowee is 10% on the list. They have 1670 pilots on the list according to APC. 1670-167=1503 pilots who want to flow. 1503/10=150.3/12=12.5 Years.
ENY is more difficult. I have an average in my head based on roughly 20 pilots per month (averaging the protected pilots min flow, <2014 DOS min flow, and then the >2014 DOS Flow) but it's anyone's guess as to how accurate it is. It's around 8.6 years.
01-22-2018, 01:38 PM
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Ok I see now. I thought they started their flow at 5 a month. When psa first got their flow, didn't one of their recruiters ask parker if he was going to do something to fix it because it was basically 20 years whereas envoy and piedmont were advertising 5 years? Now I guess their 2014 hires are going to flow in 2019. They must have some serious attrition outside the flow, much more than envoy. It's crazy how much changes over a few years.
The majority of our senior pilot group were hired in 2014, and about half of them came from Endeavor. They average new hire had 6-8 years as FOs elsewhere. Now, the majority have 8-10 years of airline experience, are LCA's, and have 1000 TPIC. They are all leaving for legacy carriers.
01-22-2018, 02:14 PM
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01-22-2018, 02:22 PM
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01-22-2018, 02:41 PM
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01-22-2018, 03:13 PM
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I could see us getting some TSA 145s whenever that contract is up, but nothing more than that.
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