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01-05-2018, 08:25 AM

#1171

jonnyjetprop

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Originally Posted by AZFlyer

I'm doubtful of the likelihood of merging with Envoy. Among reasons already stated, it would also mean one less carrier for Parker to whipsaw against the others should circumstances ever go that way.

I want Piedmont to stay separate and become a great place to be. #MPAGA (Make Piedmont Airlines Great Again

). Speaking of, aren't the meetings with the union and the company for the contract items beginning today?

You're assuming the whip saw hasn't already started. It's it interesting that all this merger talk is right around the time we do a soft opening for section 6.

01-05-2018, 08:31 AM

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havick206

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You're assuming the whip saw hasn't already started. It's it interesting that all this merger talk is right around the time we do a soft opening for section 6.

Do you also wear a tin foil hat?

There’s a glaring flaw in your theory, which is there simply isn’t the supply of pilots out there anymore.

I don’t intend to sound like an ass, but in the current climate there’s no reason to accept any sub-par contract regardless of any rumors or threats of shifting flying.

Last edited by havick206; 01-05-2018 at 08:58 AM.

01-05-2018, 08:33 AM

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67Creek

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First rule, never trust recruiters.

No kidding. I'd like to know how they come up with 3 years being a possibility for someone joining now.

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You also need to realize how they get the math for their calculations sometimes. Flow goes to a 2015 DOH? well there you go, that's a 3 year flow. However, don't discount that 30% of the pilots on the roster were hired after that point.

Yeah, but 3-5 years is the number I was given for someone hired today. Then again, 3-5 probably means their calculation shows five.

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It's realistic to say 5-7 years. Honestly, if you come here for the flow I think you are doing yourself a disservice. That's an unpopular opinion, but If anything I would come here for the upgrade time/base(if it works for you)/etc. The flow is something nice to have in your back pocket but this job has a lot of opportunity for resume development.

What kind of extra duties can you do in your first few years that might result in an earlier transition to the majors?

I've heard a lot of those jobs take you away from flying and actually slow down your career progression.

01-05-2018, 08:51 AM

#1174

AZFlyer

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Originally Posted by jonnyjetprop

You're assuming the whip saw hasn't already started. It's it interesting that all this merger talk is right around the time we do a soft opening for section 6.

I never said there was or was not a whipsaw occurring.

01-05-2018, 08:56 AM

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Newstick189

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). Speaking of, aren't the meetings with the union and the company for the contract items beginning today?

I also have my suspicions about that. By keeping us separate their will always be someone who needs something and therefore willing to accept a weaker contract.

Yes, contract negotiations do start today. I am eagerly awaiting what our union can work out for us.

01-05-2018, 09:27 AM

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havick206

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Personally I think all the WO MEC’s should get together and come up with a common goal/strategy (Better rates and staple the lists to mainline now and just be done with the flow).

Wishful thinking I know.