Good credentials, but bad timing for job
01-10-2014, 06:10 AM
#31
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Here is a extremely good article I stumbled upon today. Not trying to avoid college here but I do agree that $100k in the hole isn't for me. There are many people out there without a degree and I just do not see the college route in my sight when I can get the same hours doing CFI. Some jobs may require a BS degree but oh well, there any plenty more that don't.
Here is a extremely good article I stumbled upon today. Not trying to avoid college here but I do agree that $100k in the hole isn't for me. There are many people out there without a degree and I just do not see the college route in my sight when I can get the same hours doing CFI. Some jobs may require a BS degree but oh well, there any plenty more that don't.
Yes, you can get a decent flying job without a degree. However, after a very short time you won't be moving vertically up the career ladder. You'll reach your glass ceiling and be stuck looking up at all the pilots with degrees that get to move on to better, higher paying gigs.
You can't just focus on the hours you'll have. There are plenty out there that will have the same amount of hours, possibly even more. But they've done something you haven't done. They've challenged themselves for at least 2 years, maybe more, and that makes them more competitive than you in this economy.
01-10-2014, 07:19 AM
#32
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Here is a extremely good article I stumbled upon today. Not trying to avoid college here but I do agree that $100k in the hole isn't for me. There are many people out there without a degree and I just do not see the college route in my sight when I can get the same hours doing CFI. Some jobs may require a BS degree but oh well, there any plenty more that don't.
Where do you want/see yourself ending up?
01-12-2014, 06:56 PM
#33
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You're asking for advice, and getting a lot of good info. Yet, it's not the advice you wanted to hear. When I was 21, I was the same way.
In truth, your title is wrong. You don't have "Good credentials but bad timing" you have little in way of credentials during a very good time. This should tell you why you're not getting the jobs you're applying to. I'm not saying this to be rude. But when you apply somewhere you're competing against many people. Every company is going to go through the list and weed out the people that have are able to check certain boxes. One of the big ones, a four year degree. After that, your flight time, and yes, even your age.
Like it or not, a 4 year degree is important in this field. If you don't want it, go learn a trade. If you want to fly, get a 4 year degree. The better jobs in this industry don't always require one but almost everybody you compete with for that job will check that box. Don't want to spend $100k? Don't. Look at state schools, and community college.
While you're doing that, get your CFI. Others have gone through the cost, that's on you. Study hard on your own time and you'll have it in a couple hours. With that, you accrue flight time and you take care of a job while in school. Two birds with one stone. By the time you graduate, you're old enough to get an ATP, and have the experience needed for more desirable jobs.
In truth, your title is wrong. You don't have "Good credentials but bad timing" you have little in way of credentials during a very good time. This should tell you why you're not getting the jobs you're applying to. I'm not saying this to be rude. But when you apply somewhere you're competing against many people. Every company is going to go through the list and weed out the people that have are able to check certain boxes. One of the big ones, a four year degree. After that, your flight time, and yes, even your age.
Like it or not, a 4 year degree is important in this field. If you don't want it, go learn a trade. If you want to fly, get a 4 year degree. The better jobs in this industry don't always require one but almost everybody you compete with for that job will check that box. Don't want to spend $100k? Don't. Look at state schools, and community college.
While you're doing that, get your CFI. Others have gone through the cost, that's on you. Study hard on your own time and you'll have it in a couple hours. With that, you accrue flight time and you take care of a job while in school. Two birds with one stone. By the time you graduate, you're old enough to get an ATP, and have the experience needed for more desirable jobs.
01-13-2014, 01:42 AM
#34
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You're asking for advice, and getting a lot of good info. Yet, it's not the advice you wanted to hear. When I was 21, I was the same way.
In truth, your title is wrong. You don't have "Good credentials but bad timing" you have little in way of credentials during a very good time. This should tell you why you're not getting the jobs you're applying to. I'm not saying this to be rude. But when you apply somewhere you're competing against many people. Every company is going to go through the list and weed out the people that have are able to check certain boxes. One of the big ones, a four year degree. After that, your flight time, and yes, even your age.
Like it or not, a 4 year degree is important in this field. If you don't want it, go learn a trade. If you want to fly, get a 4 year degree. The better jobs in this industry don't always require one but almost everybody you compete with for that job will check that box. Don't want to spend $100k? Don't. Look at state schools, and community college.
While you're doing that, get your CFI. Others have gone through the cost, that's on you. Study hard on your own time and you'll have it in a couple hours. With that, you accrue flight time and you take care of a job while in school. Two birds with one stone. By the time you graduate, you're old enough to get an ATP, and have the experience needed for more desirable jobs.
In truth, your title is wrong. You don't have "Good credentials but bad timing" you have little in way of credentials during a very good time. This should tell you why you're not getting the jobs you're applying to. I'm not saying this to be rude. But when you apply somewhere you're competing against many people. Every company is going to go through the list and weed out the people that have are able to check certain boxes. One of the big ones, a four year degree. After that, your flight time, and yes, even your age.
Like it or not, a 4 year degree is important in this field. If you don't want it, go learn a trade. If you want to fly, get a 4 year degree. The better jobs in this industry don't always require one but almost everybody you compete with for that job will check that box. Don't want to spend $100k? Don't. Look at state schools, and community college.
While you're doing that, get your CFI. Others have gone through the cost, that's on you. Study hard on your own time and you'll have it in a couple hours. With that, you accrue flight time and you take care of a job while in school. Two birds with one stone. By the time you graduate, you're old enough to get an ATP, and have the experience needed for more desirable jobs.
This is the best advice so far, and spot on.
01-13-2014, 05:17 AM
#35
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You're asking for advice, and getting a lot of good info. Yet, it's not the advice you wanted to hear. When I was 21, I was the same way.
In truth, your title is wrong. You don't have "Good credentials but bad timing" you have little in way of credentials during a very good time. This should tell you why you're not getting the jobs you're applying to. I'm not saying this to be rude. But when you apply somewhere you're competing against many people. Every company is going to go through the list and weed out the people that have are able to check certain boxes. One of the big ones, a four year degree. After that, your flight time, and yes, even your age.
Like it or not, a 4 year degree is important in this field. If you don't want it, go learn a trade. If you want to fly, get a 4 year degree. The better jobs in this industry don't always require one but almost everybody you compete with for that job will check that box. Don't want to spend $100k? Don't. Look at state schools, and community college.
While you're doing that, get your CFI. Others have gone through the cost, that's on you. Study hard on your own time and you'll have it in a couple hours. With that, you accrue flight time and you take care of a job while in school. Two birds with one stone. By the time you graduate, you're old enough to get an ATP, and have the experience needed for more desirable jobs.
In truth, your title is wrong. You don't have "Good credentials but bad timing" you have little in way of credentials during a very good time. This should tell you why you're not getting the jobs you're applying to. I'm not saying this to be rude. But when you apply somewhere you're competing against many people. Every company is going to go through the list and weed out the people that have are able to check certain boxes. One of the big ones, a four year degree. After that, your flight time, and yes, even your age.
Like it or not, a 4 year degree is important in this field. If you don't want it, go learn a trade. If you want to fly, get a 4 year degree. The better jobs in this industry don't always require one but almost everybody you compete with for that job will check that box. Don't want to spend $100k? Don't. Look at state schools, and community college.
While you're doing that, get your CFI. Others have gone through the cost, that's on you. Study hard on your own time and you'll have it in a couple hours. With that, you accrue flight time and you take care of a job while in school. Two birds with one stone. By the time you graduate, you're old enough to get an ATP, and have the experience needed for more desirable jobs.
01-14-2014, 03:47 PM
#36
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"Where do I go from here? What should I pursue? Does anybody know of anyone who could help me with a job?"
Look into Middle Tennessee State University in Murfreesboro TN. Excellent Aviation/Pilot program + scholarships available. Good luck.
Look into Middle Tennessee State University in Murfreesboro TN. Excellent Aviation/Pilot program + scholarships available. Good luck.
01-15-2014, 09:55 AM
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I got all my certificates and ratings at a mom and pop part 61 school in 1991. At the same time I was flight instructing I was attending college. It was almost completely paid for with grants and scholarships. I decided I"d rather be in a cockpit than in a classroom and blew the whole thing off. It took the school a year to pull the whole thing out from under me.
I was knocking on doors with 2500+ hours, a single and multi engine ATP, and NO college degree. Every potential employer told me no dice without the degree. I sucked it up, went back and completed the four year BS in psychology. That door opened up many additional opportunities including human factors and CRM. Years later I'm a published safety author, requested speaker, and pilot. I hated it, but the degree was the key.
I was knocking on doors with 2500+ hours, a single and multi engine ATP, and NO college degree. Every potential employer told me no dice without the degree. I sucked it up, went back and completed the four year BS in psychology. That door opened up many additional opportunities including human factors and CRM. Years later I'm a published safety author, requested speaker, and pilot. I hated it, but the degree was the key.
01-15-2014, 11:23 AM
#38
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Nope, I just see a young man who is avoiding college while dreaming of a shortcut to the stars. You may indeed be a 450 hour wonder and I hope you are, but resumes are how pilots get jobs and you need more than 450 hours with some Part 91 jet time. Don't you want to be an educated man? And did you look into military aviation?
To the OP: Get the CFI dude. Even if you don't think you want to, it sure sounds like you need it.
02-04-2014, 04:13 PM
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Let me give a little background on my situation. I am 21 and reside in MD. September of 2012 I jumped out of flight school as i was entering my CFI course. I was hired by a private company in MD to act as SIC in a CE-510 Mustang with full salary and benefits. It was a gravy job being 20 with 230 hours TT. I racked up 200+hrs turbine time in the past year and 3 months. My boss was the owner of the company and also the captain. Beginning of October 2013 he went for his single pilot in the mustang and got it. The end of November I got the phone call where he stated he no longer needed me but was giving me a PIC type rating in the mustang. I went through Flight Safety International in Orlando in December and got my PIC with SIC required type rating in the mustang. This Christmas, an acquaintance called me and we went flying together for a SIC sign off in a Hawker HS-125.
I really do not want to go back and get my CFI. There is no Mustang jobs out there. I need time building. I have applied to every banner towing, skydiving, aerial surveying, pipeline flying, and pc-12 job I can find with no response. So my question is.... Where do I go from here? What should I pursue? Does anybody know of anyone who could help me with a job?
Currently 440hrs TT. Commercial single and multi with instrument.
I really do not want to go back and get my CFI. There is no Mustang jobs out there. I need time building. I have applied to every banner towing, skydiving, aerial surveying, pipeline flying, and pc-12 job I can find with no response. So my question is.... Where do I go from here? What should I pursue? Does anybody know of anyone who could help me with a job?
Currently 440hrs TT. Commercial single and multi with instrument.
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