Great opportunity or not?
06-29-2012, 07:04 PM
#11
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Zondaracer: Haha, No he is not Travolta. Even though it would be pretty cool if it was
Wrxpilot, Cubdriver: I know that in today's world you can't really count on a man's word so I'm not diving at the opportunity. I'm definitely trying to look at the big picture. And as far as 9600 hr part, he started a trucking business 30 years ago and has grown up and down the east coast since. He has had multiple airplanes in his lifetime all for himself. He is 65 and only likes women and airplanes. LOL
Wrxpilot, Cubdriver: I know that in today's world you can't really count on a man's word so I'm not diving at the opportunity. I'm definitely trying to look at the big picture. And as far as 9600 hr part, he started a trucking business 30 years ago and has grown up and down the east coast since. He has had multiple airplanes in his lifetime all for himself. He is 65 and only likes women and airplanes. LOL
06-29-2012, 08:07 PM
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It is my understanding that the Mustang can be flown single pilot or as a crew. It is the pilot's type rating that will make the difference. If he has a single pilot type, no SIC is allowed, let alone needed. In that case, you would be sitting there for nothing. If he has the type rating for a crew, I would imagine you could log SIC.
I went through that while getting my type back in December. I was supposed to be operating single pilot for the aircraft owner, and as a crew while it chartered. The crew part was loosely defined as I was going to have a non typed right seat that was essentially an insurance requirement. I haven't gotten to see how all this would actually work since the plane I was hired to fly was never purchased.
I went through that while getting my type back in December. I was supposed to be operating single pilot for the aircraft owner, and as a crew while it chartered. The crew part was loosely defined as I was going to have a non typed right seat that was essentially an insurance requirement. I haven't gotten to see how all this would actually work since the plane I was hired to fly was never purchased.
07-01-2012, 01:26 PM
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I hate to be so direct. But with 200TT, you have just started learning how to fly. Get your CFI and find out what you don't know about what you don't know. I know I'll get a lot of flak for this, but I am an old timer (read "old fart"), so I am entitled. I really did not feel totally comfortable flying until I had well over that time and had some instructing under my belt. Just my .02. Okay, here it comes....
07-02-2012, 12:37 PM
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I fell into the same situation, but after 1000hrs dual given. You definitatley can get your SIC in the citation mustang. Cessna provided the owner with a paid single pilot type and a discounted SIC type from Flight Safety. On another note I just saw this job posting today...Same guy?
Pilot - Citation Mustang
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Date Posted: 4/09/12 Period of Employment: Not Specified Pay Type: Paid Brought to You By:
Opportunity Type: Job Job Status: Full-Time Compensation: DOE
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Location:
Federalsburg, Maryland
Required Certificates/Ratings/Licenses:
Commercial, Instrument: Multi-Engine
Industry:
Transportation
Job Function:
Not Specified
Description:
H&M Bay is seeking a qualified Citation Mustang pilot.
A Citation Mustang type required.
Career Focus:
Flight
Position Level:
Experienced
Daytona Beach Co-op/Intern Approval:
Full-time Position (N/A)
Prescott Co-op/Intern Approval:
Full-time Position (N/A)
Application Qualifications
Required Attributes Students must have the following attributes in order to apply to the position. •Required Work Authorization Status: Authorized to work in the U.S.
•Require Sponsorship: Only include candidates that do not require sponsorship
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Date Posted: 4/09/12 Period of Employment: Not Specified Pay Type: Paid Brought to You By:
Opportunity Type: Job Job Status: Full-Time Compensation: DOE
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Description & Details
Location:
Federalsburg, Maryland
Required Certificates/Ratings/Licenses:
Commercial, Instrument: Multi-Engine
Industry:
Transportation
Job Function:
Not Specified
Description:
H&M Bay is seeking a qualified Citation Mustang pilot.
A Citation Mustang type required.
Career Focus:
Flight
Position Level:
Experienced
Daytona Beach Co-op/Intern Approval:
Full-time Position (N/A)
Prescott Co-op/Intern Approval:
Full-time Position (N/A)
Application Qualifications
Required Attributes Students must have the following attributes in order to apply to the position. •Required Work Authorization Status: Authorized to work in the U.S.
•Require Sponsorship: Only include candidates that do not require sponsorship
07-04-2012, 05:34 AM
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I am currently finishing up my CAMEL rating and should be flying with the FAA next week. Upon passing, I will train and go up for my single engine commercial add-on. (1 week) Then to CFI training. (CFI has already been paid for) This is all taking place at a 141 flight school in FL. TT:200 PIC:100 ME:30
I have a good connection with a guy who has just purchased a brand new Cessna Citation Mustang for himself/ his company. He flies from MD to FL twice a week for business and pleasure. I have made contact with him recently and showed my great interest in flying and a possible job in the future. He told me to come see him when I get my commercial ratings and he will see what he can do. He currently has 9600 hours of PIC time with only holding a private pilot instrument rating with type for Citation. He shows no interest in giving up his left seat so I would be getting a SIC job.
To me being 20 years old with so little time and still in school, it seems like a one in a million job, But is it? My question is, Is it better to stay at the flight school through CFI and instruct, getting PIC? Or be hired sitting right seat, getting SIC jet time?
My goal is to fly for corporate one day.
Thanks to all who read and respond!
I have a good connection with a guy who has just purchased a brand new Cessna Citation Mustang for himself/ his company. He flies from MD to FL twice a week for business and pleasure. I have made contact with him recently and showed my great interest in flying and a possible job in the future. He told me to come see him when I get my commercial ratings and he will see what he can do. He currently has 9600 hours of PIC time with only holding a private pilot instrument rating with type for Citation. He shows no interest in giving up his left seat so I would be getting a SIC job.
To me being 20 years old with so little time and still in school, it seems like a one in a million job, But is it? My question is, Is it better to stay at the flight school through CFI and instruct, getting PIC? Or be hired sitting right seat, getting SIC jet time?
My goal is to fly for corporate one day.
Thanks to all who read and respond!
07-04-2012, 12:02 PM
#17
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Things to consider:
1) I'm putting this one first because it's the most important. DO NOT turn down other opportunities that arise just because you want this one to work out. There are plenty of great flying jobs out there. Do not count on this one panning out. Keep your options open. Don't think that this is the "best" opportunity for you and that "nothing else comes close." These opinions will only hurt your progress.
2) While you may not be able to log the time, this sounds like a GREAT opportunity for some extra cash and experience. When I was instructing, I had the opportunity to fly several folks around the country in their private aircraft to score some cash and stories. It's good fun.
3) Don't let his pride and money kill you. It isn't easy to stand up to someone when you're in their private airplane paying you good money - especially someone powerful. Just remind yourself that's why they brought you along.
4) If you eventually want to fly corporate, this could be a good networking opportunity.
5) I like lists, get over it
Hope that helped!
1) I'm putting this one first because it's the most important. DO NOT turn down other opportunities that arise just because you want this one to work out. There are plenty of great flying jobs out there. Do not count on this one panning out. Keep your options open. Don't think that this is the "best" opportunity for you and that "nothing else comes close." These opinions will only hurt your progress.
2) While you may not be able to log the time, this sounds like a GREAT opportunity for some extra cash and experience. When I was instructing, I had the opportunity to fly several folks around the country in their private aircraft to score some cash and stories. It's good fun.
3) Don't let his pride and money kill you. It isn't easy to stand up to someone when you're in their private airplane paying you good money - especially someone powerful. Just remind yourself that's why they brought you along.
4) If you eventually want to fly corporate, this could be a good networking opportunity.
5) I like lists, get over it
Hope that helped!
07-05-2012, 12:54 PM
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I gave a presentation this past year on single pilot resource management at the annual convention for the association that's made up of private owner/operators of a certain model of single pilot jet. A very interesting bunch to say the least. I think that's a very real character trait of a high net worth individual operating a jet - they did not get where they were in life by playing it safe. Not generalizing but it is something to be considered.
07-11-2012, 12:21 PM
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I would not count those Mustangs chickens before they hatch. Jet owners are always getting resumes and solicitations to fly with them, and "no go away" is not an appropriate response although it should be. He could have meant what he said, but it's more likely he didn't. If I had a ten bucks for each "opportunity" I was promised I could buy a jet myself. Get the CFI and start building quality hours towards a real job.
07-11-2012, 12:28 PM
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I fell into the same situation, but after 1000hrs dual given. You definitatley can get your SIC in the citation mustang. Cessna provided the owner with a paid single pilot type and a discounted SIC type from Flight Safety. On another note I just saw this job posting today...Same guy?
Pilot - Citation Mustang
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Date Posted: 4/09/12 Period of Employment: Not Specified Pay Type: Paid Brought to You By:
Opportunity Type: Job Job Status: Full-Time Compensation: DOE
Interview Schedules
This job does not currently have an interview schedule attached to it.
Description & Details
Location:
Federalsburg, Maryland
Required Certificates/Ratings/Licenses:
Commercial, Instrument: Multi-Engine
Industry:
Transportation
Job Function:
Not Specified
Description:
H&M Bay is seeking a qualified Citation Mustang pilot.
A Citation Mustang type required.
Career Focus:
Flight
Position Level:
Experienced
Daytona Beach Co-op/Intern Approval:
Full-time Position (N/A)
Prescott Co-op/Intern Approval:
Full-time Position (N/A)
Application Qualifications
Required Attributes Students must have the following attributes in order to apply to the position. •Required Work Authorization Status: Authorized to work in the U.S.
•Require Sponsorship: Only include candidates that do not require sponsorship
Pilot - Citation Mustang
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Date Posted: 4/09/12 Period of Employment: Not Specified Pay Type: Paid Brought to You By:
Opportunity Type: Job Job Status: Full-Time Compensation: DOE
Interview Schedules
This job does not currently have an interview schedule attached to it.
Description & Details
Location:
Federalsburg, Maryland
Required Certificates/Ratings/Licenses:
Commercial, Instrument: Multi-Engine
Industry:
Transportation
Job Function:
Not Specified
Description:
H&M Bay is seeking a qualified Citation Mustang pilot.
A Citation Mustang type required.
Career Focus:
Flight
Position Level:
Experienced
Daytona Beach Co-op/Intern Approval:
Full-time Position (N/A)
Prescott Co-op/Intern Approval:
Full-time Position (N/A)
Application Qualifications
Required Attributes Students must have the following attributes in order to apply to the position. •Required Work Authorization Status: Authorized to work in the U.S.
•Require Sponsorship: Only include candidates that do not require sponsorship
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