New Pilot- A few low time questions
05-10-2012, 03:31 PM
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For heavy trainers is the T-1. Your exactly right about it beign a side by side mini business jet.
OMG 51!? ****.... Well Ill do my best to get hours to increase my PCSM score. I am taking the AFOQT again to get better scores. The last interview I had , which I didnt get picked up, was because they didnt want to risk loosing a slot at the AFRC board. I did everything the right way, went to UTA weekends, met them for lunch. Interviewed, dropped coin on a suit etc.
Seems like an uphill battle but it will be worth it. I just have to increase my "Packet" scores.
OMG 51!? ****.... Well Ill do my best to get hours to increase my PCSM score. I am taking the AFOQT again to get better scores. The last interview I had , which I didnt get picked up, was because they didnt want to risk loosing a slot at the AFRC board. I did everything the right way, went to UTA weekends, met them for lunch. Interviewed, dropped coin on a suit etc.
Seems like an uphill battle but it will be worth it. I just have to increase my "Packet" scores.
Yeah, those AFOQT tests were a joke, but you have to take them. At least now you have the Internet so you can get some gouge. I had Zero gouge! When I went into the interview room, there were 6 officers there, 3 Majors, 3 Lt. Cols. and they started in with the questions. One guy said, "Do you know we just interviewed a girl with only 10 hours, and she did Better than YOU did, on the "Flying Aptitude" test?
I just burst out lauging and said, "Well, that must be Some Test! I'll tell you what would be a good Flying Aptitude Test, why don't you put the two of us in a simulator and we'll fly ILS's down to zero-zero, and we'll see who does what."
They hired her over me and 8 other men who all had flying jobs and lots of time. I got in about 6mo. later when a second slot came up on short notice.
When I got back from UPT, the Boss took me into his office and apologized to me for that. "We really needed a girl." He said, "We didn't have ANY female aircrew members, and we were getting an inspection, so we HAD to hire her..."
So, do well on the tests, and then wear a skirt to the interview...
05-11-2012, 06:21 AM
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Yeah, those AFOQT tests were a joke, but you have to take them. At least now you have the Internet so you can get some gouge. I had Zero gouge! When I went into the interview room, there were 6 officers there, 3 Majors, 3 Lt. Cols. and they started in with the questions. One guy said, "Do you know we just interviewed a girl with only 10 hours, and she did Better than YOU did, on the "Flying Aptitude" test?
I just burst out lauging and said, "Well, that must be Some Test! I'll tell you what would be a good Flying Aptitude Test, why don't you put the two of us in a simulator and we'll fly ILS's down to zero-zero, and we'll see who does what."
They hired her over me and 8 other men who all had flying jobs and lots of time. I got in about 6mo. later when a second slot came up on short notice.
When I got back from UPT, the Boss took me into his office and apologized to me for that. "We really needed a girl." He said, "We didn't have ANY female aircrew members, and we were getting an inspection, so we HAD to hire her..."
So, do well on the tests, and then wear a skirt to the interview...
I just burst out lauging and said, "Well, that must be Some Test! I'll tell you what would be a good Flying Aptitude Test, why don't you put the two of us in a simulator and we'll fly ILS's down to zero-zero, and we'll see who does what."
They hired her over me and 8 other men who all had flying jobs and lots of time. I got in about 6mo. later when a second slot came up on short notice.
When I got back from UPT, the Boss took me into his office and apologized to me for that. "We really needed a girl." He said, "We didn't have ANY female aircrew members, and we were getting an inspection, so we HAD to hire her..."
So, do well on the tests, and then wear a skirt to the interview...
I have to wait another 4ish months to take it again. Ill have to bust the books back out. I had like 4 books I have been studying from.
I am only 24 so I have some time to build time and beg units.
05-11-2012, 07:22 AM
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The internet does help! And yes the tests suck. They are based off a bell curve. Which means if I take it the same time as a bunch of MIT ROTC guys, I am screwed!
I have to wait another 4ish months to take it again. Ill have to bust the books back out. I had like 4 books I have been studying from.
I am only 24 so I have some time to build time and beg units.
I have to wait another 4ish months to take it again. Ill have to bust the books back out. I had like 4 books I have been studying from.
I am only 24 so I have some time to build time and beg units.
In the mean time, there are lots of Delta guys in the CVG area who own little airplanes. You should go out the smaller outlying airports and ask around, see if you can get one of them to fly with you. Offer to wash his plane, pay for the gas, buy his beer, etc. and you might get some cheap flying time. Some of those guys are connected to Guard and Reserve units too, so ask about that as well.
I had zero knowledge of what the Air Gurad was, until another pilot at the Part 135 co. told me about it. He flew C141's in the Reserves and told me what I had to do to get into the Air Guard. Still, I didn't really want to join the military; 1. Too many up-tight aholes there, is what I thought (I was 23, so every adult was an uptight Ahole to me) and 2. Since I already had a bunch of flying time, I didn't want to go back and 'start from scratch' in their uptight training environment.
I was very wrong on 1 and only slightly wrong on 2.
The guys I met were great, they are some of my best friends today.
The training was very tough, but doable, if you have a good attitude about it. Even for a civilian who's not used to standing at attention, saying Yes Sir, No Sir, and answering "EP's", and getting a haircut once a week, and polishing his boots every day, and all that other stuff that goes along with being in the military.
But once I got home to my unit, where 90% of the pilots were also airline pilots, it was very laid back, a lot of fun, and those guys were great mentors to me. Oh, and the first thing one of the Booms did to me on one of my first flights was, he stepped on the toes of my nicely shined boots, and scuffed them up, then said, "You don't want to look like 'the new guy!"
Yeah, you have to jump through a lot of hoops, but overall it was a great experience and I highly recomend it.
05-11-2012, 09:17 AM
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Timbo
I was at MA ANG Westfield and 439th Westover, almost certainly refueled off of you!
Magentaliner
Keep trying, 51 apps isn't that hard. Ha Ha. The Guard/Reserves are the best deal going, if very competitive. I was an Ops O, sent an Atlas 744 FO to UPT and several zero timers--two of the zero timers graduated top in their class. Flight time helps, looks good on an application, but once at UPT, it's all about attitude and effort.
GF
I was at MA ANG Westfield and 439th Westover, almost certainly refueled off of you!
Magentaliner
Keep trying, 51 apps isn't that hard. Ha Ha. The Guard/Reserves are the best deal going, if very competitive. I was an Ops O, sent an Atlas 744 FO to UPT and several zero timers--two of the zero timers graduated top in their class. Flight time helps, looks good on an application, but once at UPT, it's all about attitude and effort.
GF
05-11-2012, 10:26 AM
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Timbo
I was at MA ANG Westfield and 439th Westover, almost certainly refueled off of you!
Magentaliner
Keep trying, 51 apps isn't that hard. Ha Ha. The Guard/Reserves are the best deal going, if very competitive. I was an Ops O, sent an Atlas 744 FO to UPT and several zero timers--two of the zero timers graduated top in their class. Flight time helps, looks good on an application, but once at UPT, it's all about attitude and effort.
GF
I was at MA ANG Westfield and 439th Westover, almost certainly refueled off of you!
Magentaliner
Keep trying, 51 apps isn't that hard. Ha Ha. The Guard/Reserves are the best deal going, if very competitive. I was an Ops O, sent an Atlas 744 FO to UPT and several zero timers--two of the zero timers graduated top in their class. Flight time helps, looks good on an application, but once at UPT, it's all about attitude and effort.
GF
Were you in C5's, or earlier, in the C130's, or both? Or am I thinking of the wrong unit, there were also A10's at Barnes, right? It's been about 20 years since I got out and then I moved down to FL, so I can't recall who was where, but you are right, it's all about attitude and effort regardless of how much prior time you have.
I almost felt like having a lot of civi time hurt, as I had to 'unlearn' a lot of stuff, to re-learn to do things 'their way', but once I wrapped my head around it, it was a lot of fun.
05-11-2012, 10:27 AM
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Well, unless you have a realy good reason to go to a certain airframe, or base location, apply to all 51 of them, you never know who might need someone right now. (Pueto Rico has a Guard Unit). After you get in, you can switch bases if you really have an issue with family or somthing.
In the mean time, there are lots of Delta guys in the CVG area who own little airplanes. You should go out the smaller outlying airports and ask around, see if you can get one of them to fly with you. Offer to wash his plane, pay for the gas, buy his beer, etc. and you might get some cheap flying time. Some of those guys are connected to Guard and Reserve units too, so ask about that as well.
I had zero knowledge of what the Air Gurad was, until another pilot at the Part 135 co. told me about it. He flew C141's in the Reserves and told me what I had to do to get into the Air Guard. Still, I didn't really want to join the military; 1. Too many up-tight aholes there, is what I thought (I was 23, so every adult was an uptight Ahole to me) and 2. Since I already had a bunch of flying time, I didn't want to go back and 'start from scratch' in their uptight training environment.
I was very wrong on 1 and only slightly wrong on 2.
The guys I met were great, they are some of my best friends today.
The training was very tough, but doable, if you have a good attitude about it. Even for a civilian who's not used to standing at attention, saying Yes Sir, No Sir, and answering "EP's", and getting a haircut once a week, and polishing his boots every day, and all that other stuff that goes along with being in the military.
But once I got home to my unit, where 90% of the pilots were also airline pilots, it was very laid back, a lot of fun, and those guys were great mentors to me. Oh, and the first thing one of the Booms did to me on one of my first flights was, he stepped on the toes of my nicely shined boots, and scuffed them up, then said, "You don't want to look like 'the new guy!"
Yeah, you have to jump through a lot of hoops, but overall it was a great experience and I highly recomend it.
In the mean time, there are lots of Delta guys in the CVG area who own little airplanes. You should go out the smaller outlying airports and ask around, see if you can get one of them to fly with you. Offer to wash his plane, pay for the gas, buy his beer, etc. and you might get some cheap flying time. Some of those guys are connected to Guard and Reserve units too, so ask about that as well.
I had zero knowledge of what the Air Gurad was, until another pilot at the Part 135 co. told me about it. He flew C141's in the Reserves and told me what I had to do to get into the Air Guard. Still, I didn't really want to join the military; 1. Too many up-tight aholes there, is what I thought (I was 23, so every adult was an uptight Ahole to me) and 2. Since I already had a bunch of flying time, I didn't want to go back and 'start from scratch' in their uptight training environment.
I was very wrong on 1 and only slightly wrong on 2.
The guys I met were great, they are some of my best friends today.
The training was very tough, but doable, if you have a good attitude about it. Even for a civilian who's not used to standing at attention, saying Yes Sir, No Sir, and answering "EP's", and getting a haircut once a week, and polishing his boots every day, and all that other stuff that goes along with being in the military.
But once I got home to my unit, where 90% of the pilots were also airline pilots, it was very laid back, a lot of fun, and those guys were great mentors to me. Oh, and the first thing one of the Booms did to me on one of my first flights was, he stepped on the toes of my nicely shined boots, and scuffed them up, then said, "You don't want to look like 'the new guy!"
Yeah, you have to jump through a lot of hoops, but overall it was a great experience and I highly recomend it.
05-11-2012, 10:31 AM
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Timbo
I was at MA ANG Westfield and 439th Westover, almost certainly refueled off of you!
Magentaliner
Keep trying, 51 apps isn't that hard. Ha Ha. The Guard/Reserves are the best deal going, if very competitive. I was an Ops O, sent an Atlas 744 FO to UPT and several zero timers--two of the zero timers graduated top in their class. Flight time helps, looks good on an application, but once at UPT, it's all about attitude and effort.
GF
I was at MA ANG Westfield and 439th Westover, almost certainly refueled off of you!
Magentaliner
Keep trying, 51 apps isn't that hard. Ha Ha. The Guard/Reserves are the best deal going, if very competitive. I was an Ops O, sent an Atlas 744 FO to UPT and several zero timers--two of the zero timers graduated top in their class. Flight time helps, looks good on an application, but once at UPT, it's all about attitude and effort.
GF
Ill keep at it!
05-11-2012, 10:42 AM
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There is a cadre of "Full Timers" who are there 8-5, M-F, plus drill weekend, and they are the guys who screen the apps. and schedule the interviews, etc. So keep bugging them, more than just once a month.
When it comes time to interview, each unit does it's own thing, but they will usually have a mix of the more senior part timers and some of the full time office guys in there asking questions.
05-11-2012, 10:48 AM
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There is a cadre of "Full Timers" who are there 8-5, M-F, plus drill weekend, and they are the guys who screen the apps. and schedule the interviews, etc. So keep bugging them, more than just once a month.
When it comes time to interview, each unit does it's own thing, but they will usually have a mix of the more senior part timers and some of the full time office guys in there asking questions.
When it comes time to interview, each unit does it's own thing, but they will usually have a mix of the more senior part timers and some of the full time office guys in there asking questions.
Do you have any contacts at your old ANG spot I could get ahold of!? Maybe to just bounce some questions off of?
05-11-2012, 01:35 PM
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You should ask around at your local airport, and check out the Civil Air Patrol unit if there is one in your area, you might find some of the guys there, who are also in the Reserves/Guard.
Civil Air Patrol - United States Air Force Auxiliary
You might also be able to fly for a local unit and get some free flying time there.
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