New Pilot- A few low time questions
05-08-2012, 07:30 AM
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There is no "Rule" about when you can start learning to fly instruments, you should have already got some hood time and partial panel while working on your Private, right?
If you buddy up with another pilot, you two should take turns flying under the hood when you go out on 'cross country' flights, and using VOR's, GPS and ILS's if they are available to you, ie. if the airplane has it installed, learn how to use it.
When I was 17 I got my PPL. My Dad told me, "All this is, is a licensce to learn. You don't know sh*t yet. You are just dangerous and you'll probably kill yourself. So focus on holding an exact altitude, heading and airpspeed, all the time, not just when you are under the hood! Don't just go aimlessly wandering around."
If you buddy up with another pilot, you two should take turns flying under the hood when you go out on 'cross country' flights, and using VOR's, GPS and ILS's if they are available to you, ie. if the airplane has it installed, learn how to use it.
When I was 17 I got my PPL. My Dad told me, "All this is, is a licensce to learn. You don't know sh*t yet. You are just dangerous and you'll probably kill yourself. So focus on holding an exact altitude, heading and airpspeed, all the time, not just when you are under the hood! Don't just go aimlessly wandering around."
05-08-2012, 08:09 AM
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There is no "Rule" about when you can start learning to fly instruments, you should have already got some hood time and partial panel while working on your Private, right?
If you buddy up with another pilot, you two should take turns flying under the hood when you go out on 'cross country' flights, and using VOR's, GPS and ILS's if they are available to you, ie. if the airplane has it installed, learn how to use it.
When I was 17 I got my PPL. My Dad told me, "All this is, is a licensce to learn. You don't know sh*t yet. You are just dangerous and you'll probably kill yourself. So focus on holding an exact altitude, heading and airpspeed, all the time, not just when you are under the hood! Don't just go aimlessly wandering around."
If you buddy up with another pilot, you two should take turns flying under the hood when you go out on 'cross country' flights, and using VOR's, GPS and ILS's if they are available to you, ie. if the airplane has it installed, learn how to use it.
When I was 17 I got my PPL. My Dad told me, "All this is, is a licensce to learn. You don't know sh*t yet. You are just dangerous and you'll probably kill yourself. So focus on holding an exact altitude, heading and airpspeed, all the time, not just when you are under the hood! Don't just go aimlessly wandering around."
05-08-2012, 09:00 AM
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Thanks for the insight. Yes, my instructor keeps saying I need 50 hours of cross country time. I have about 6 right now with my PPL, so I am assuming I need 44 more of XC before I can start my instrument. Am I wrong?
Sounds good, I am excited to excersize my privledges of a PPL. Just need to see if these money tree seeds will grow!
Funny story! That sounds like a good idea. I probably would fly a few times to get comfortable before I take people. But flying out with a bunch of buddies to snag some tail sounds fun!
Are you saying I can start right on my instrument rating even though I dont have 50 hours of XC time?
Thanks for the advice.
I think I am a bit confused on the 250 nm xc thing. Care to elaborate?
Sounds good, I am excited to excersize my privledges of a PPL. Just need to see if these money tree seeds will grow!
Funny story! That sounds like a good idea. I probably would fly a few times to get comfortable before I take people. But flying out with a bunch of buddies to snag some tail sounds fun!
Are you saying I can start right on my instrument rating even though I dont have 50 hours of XC time?
Thanks for the advice.
I think I am a bit confused on the 250 nm xc thing. Care to elaborate?
(c) of this section, of which 15 hours must have been received from an authorized instructor who holds an instrument-airplane rating, and the instrument time includes:
(ii) Instrument flight training on cross country flight procedures, including one cross country flight in an airplane with an authorized instructor, that is performed under instrument flight rules, when a flight plan has been filed with an air traffic control facility, and that involves—
(A) A flight of 250 nautical miles along airways or by directed routing from an air traffic control facility;
Meaning you need to do cross-country training with an instructor anyways. This is about 3-4 hours of the 50 you need.
05-08-2012, 10:25 AM
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Yes, you can start on your instrument immediately. The 250 mile XC for instrument is with an instructor, so it'll be part of your training.
Don't rule out the CFI. It's a way to build time and get paid. Your other options are banner tow pilot, glider tow pilot, jump pilot, etc. Good thing about jump operations is that they often have singles like a 206, and then King Airs etc when youre ready to move up.
You may as well get your instrument while building up to your ASEL commercial time requirement. You'll have plenty of time to decide after that.
Look into getting a line job at your local FBO. You'll meet more people with airplanes while fueling etc, and they'll offer to take you flying for free, sometimes on long trips. You'll also likely get a discount on aircraft rental, and cheap or free instruction.
Don't rule out the CFI. It's a way to build time and get paid. Your other options are banner tow pilot, glider tow pilot, jump pilot, etc. Good thing about jump operations is that they often have singles like a 206, and then King Airs etc when youre ready to move up.
You may as well get your instrument while building up to your ASEL commercial time requirement. You'll have plenty of time to decide after that.
Look into getting a line job at your local FBO. You'll meet more people with airplanes while fueling etc, and they'll offer to take you flying for free, sometimes on long trips. You'll also likely get a discount on aircraft rental, and cheap or free instruction.
05-08-2012, 10:33 AM
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(c) of this section, of which 15 hours must have been received from an authorized instructor who holds an instrument-airplane rating, and the instrument time includes:
(ii) Instrument flight training on cross country flight procedures, including one cross country flight in an airplane with an authorized instructor, that is performed under instrument flight rules, when a flight plan has been filed with an air traffic control facility, and that involves—
(A) A flight of 250 nautical miles along airways or by directed routing from an air traffic control facility;
Meaning you need to do cross-country training with an instructor anyways. This is about 3-4 hours of the 50 you need.
(ii) Instrument flight training on cross country flight procedures, including one cross country flight in an airplane with an authorized instructor, that is performed under instrument flight rules, when a flight plan has been filed with an air traffic control facility, and that involves—
(A) A flight of 250 nautical miles along airways or by directed routing from an air traffic control facility;
Meaning you need to do cross-country training with an instructor anyways. This is about 3-4 hours of the 50 you need.
Yes, you can start on your instrument immediately. The 250 mile XC for instrument is with an instructor, so it'll be part of your training.
Don't rule out the CFI. It's a way to build time and get paid. Your other options are banner tow pilot, glider tow pilot, jump pilot, etc. Good thing about jump operations is that they often have singles like a 206, and then King Airs etc when youre ready to move up.
You may as well get your instrument while building up to your ASEL commercial time requirement. You'll have plenty of time to decide after that.
Look into getting a line job at your local FBO. You'll meet more people with airplanes while fueling etc, and they'll offer to take you flying for free, sometimes on long trips. You'll also likely get a discount on aircraft rental, and cheap or free instruction.
Don't rule out the CFI. It's a way to build time and get paid. Your other options are banner tow pilot, glider tow pilot, jump pilot, etc. Good thing about jump operations is that they often have singles like a 206, and then King Airs etc when youre ready to move up.
You may as well get your instrument while building up to your ASEL commercial time requirement. You'll have plenty of time to decide after that.
Look into getting a line job at your local FBO. You'll meet more people with airplanes while fueling etc, and they'll offer to take you flying for free, sometimes on long trips. You'll also likely get a discount on aircraft rental, and cheap or free instruction.
And I have been looking forever for an FBO job. I have tried to get on with a few, everyone is still being tight with their budget (not that I am blaming them- entrepreneurrship major/real estate minor).
05-08-2012, 12:00 PM
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First of all Congrats on the PPL! Don't spend to much time thinking on which route to go right now. Who knows what will come your way as you move up in your training. I have to say I felt the same way you do when I got my PPL, there was no way I would be a good teacher. So I went the jump pilot route, while it is fun and a great time building job, I started to wish I had my CFI. I still don't have it but have my AGI and IGI and teach ground school and I love it. You will get more confident in your stick and rudder skills as your hours build. Best of luck in your training!
05-08-2012, 12:11 PM
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First of all Congrats on the PPL! Don't spend to much time thinking on which route to go right now. Who knows what will come your way as you move up in your training. I have to say I felt the same way you do when I got my PPL, there was no way I would be a good teacher. So I went the jump pilot route, while it is fun and a great time building job, I started to wish I had my CFI. I still don't have it but have my AGI and IGI and teach ground school and I love it. You will get more confident in your stick and rudder skills as your hours build. Best of luck in your training!
For the most part I have been searching for a time building buddy.
No luck so far lol.
Ill keep pressing on!
05-08-2012, 03:04 PM
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CFI is also a good fall back.. I never received mine because I went straight into Aerial Survey after getting my ratings.
When I got furloughed in 2008 I sure wish I had my CFI
Good luck and congrats on the PPL. Some of that Xcountry time will come as your are doing your training... for example if the lesson is hood work (tracking VOR's, blah blah) and approaches, then you could always do your hood work on the way to an airport 50nm away, shoot some approaches there, have lunch, then fly back.
No sense just randomly going flying to get xcountry time, unless it's to impress a girl.
When I got furloughed in 2008 I sure wish I had my CFI
Good luck and congrats on the PPL. Some of that Xcountry time will come as your are doing your training... for example if the lesson is hood work (tracking VOR's, blah blah) and approaches, then you could always do your hood work on the way to an airport 50nm away, shoot some approaches there, have lunch, then fly back.
No sense just randomly going flying to get xcountry time, unless it's to impress a girl.
05-08-2012, 03:23 PM
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Where are you located, what airport or city/state?
There may be others who read this stuff, near you, who are in the same boat and want to share expenses.
05-08-2012, 03:30 PM
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