skyhawk340

I don't believe you do have a good understanding. I did my CFI in Atlanta with a guy who got his CFI before 160. He also was multi rated, high performance, and tailwheel endorsed. 141 schools can make their own rules as long as the FAA approves it. He happen to go to a podunk christian flight school in Texas I've never heard of that had no mins which they also get an A&P. He got his private after 20 hours... I nor did the instructor believed it until we went through his logbook.

AcesHigh

I know enough about the history of Aviation to know what Ace stood for. But this is exactly what the problem is. People are so quick to judge, but slow to ask. I cannot tell you how many times I've heard "Oh Ace? That's a good aviation name". Until I actually tell them my reasoning THEN they understand.

I'm not looking for a fight, but if the comment I made about my "hip" name wasn't made in the first place, there would of been no need to explain myself in such detail. I'm fully aware I am in an aviation forum.But to hold my expectations for my "hip" name until I make it in aviation. So what exactly is HE implying then? That I must think I am the "Maverick" of aviators? God forbid my name was Jesus, on a bible forum, "Don't be telling people to call you Jesus, until you start walking on water" I was taken back by the remark. Being that I've been pretty humble throughout my budding aviation career that I even fly. I'm no better than the next man that may walk beside me on the street. I will speak my mind though when I see fit. All of that is water under the bridge. Back to the topic.


I do agree there is a ton of reasons why somebody SHOULD instruct, yes you gain valuable experience. Yes, it can be hard to go anywhere in the world of aviation without good networking. Thankfully, I have been networking and have a good amount of people that have helped me to be where I am today. I didn't just simply go for the ride and expect free handouts, I did my part too. I've worked hard, studied hard, and used the resources that has been given to me for my benifit. I'm not saying that your implying that, but I'm just making it clear, I have put in my share of work as well towards where I am right now.

word302

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but part 141 specifies time requirements for each rating. Schools can't just "make their own rules".

Private 35 hours minimum
Instrument 35 hours minimum
Commercial 120 hours minimum
CFI 25 hours minimum

So even if he got his commercial with no instrument rating, the CFI certificate requires it. So your looking at 190 hours minimum before you can qualify for the CFI certificate and you would have to take the CFI ride part 61 as there are no time requirements. Let alone a multi rating. Am I reading the regs wrong here?

USMCFLYR

And these people are pilots?
Ever wonder why you don't run across many fighter pilots with the call sign 'Ace'
Open question the the past/present military pilots out there. Anyone ever run across a pilot with the callsign 'Ace'? I can at least honestly say that I have never personally run across or even heard of such a thing in my career. Lots of 'Bugs' - no 'Aces'.

Is that what you think this is?
Maybe it is a couple of people with lot of years of experience and having walked in your shoes many a mile who might be trying to help you. Maybe someone saw something in your posts that certainly did make it seem that you did think you were something to aviation in your young budding career and thought a fe helpful words might be in order.

Are you going to tell me that someone could just walk up to your street dancing group without any street creds and be welcomed with open arms when he starting telling someone how awesome he was and all his pilot friends called him the 'Breaker' or the 'Step-Up Man'?

Personally - I thought your username was more in tune with Poker.
In the end - at least through this last post - I see that you still think it is more about WHAT you said than HOW you said it.

USMCFLYR

Flyhayes

Although part 141 does have "minimum" hour requirements for the varying certificates and ratings, schools can submit their own curriculum with different flight hours. If approved by the FAA, these published hours in the 141 FARs are no longer applicable.

AcesHigh

As for your first question, its a mixture of both.

And of course I don't think this is a fight. But the word term "chip on your shoulder" means exactly that. One who is out get into a fight.

And if that situation were to happen, we would probably say "show me what you got" if he's got skills, credit is given where it is due. No handouts. We don't look for the fame or glory, nor do I. And granted my delivery could've been altered, there was nothing in my delivery that was proclaiming "Hi, my name is Ace, I'm God's gift to aviation"

It was an innocent question, I'm not here to get coddled, and held like a baby throughout life. I will go out and get it, but if I can do so with help, I will do so.
How about Baron's delivery.
Looking at his delivery it sounds as though he's making me out to look like a fool and have no idea what I'm doing with my life, when I was just trying to make a sound decision. I didn't know I was going to get criticized for it.The negative criticism is not needed, as your're no help to me. CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, would've been different. But that wasn't the case here.

USMCFLYR

You come onto a forum full of disgruntled airline pilots and expect to only find POSITIVE and CONSTRUCTIVE criticism?

Baron is echoing what a majority of the pilot here think about 300 hour pilots looking for jobs in the P121 world. MOST would tell you to get some experience instructing.
How about I introduce you to SkyHigh. He is chalk full of constructive criticism

Well AcesHigh....perspective can be a tricky thing on the internet.

USMCFLYR

AcesHigh

I'm pretty sure my OP stated asking for helpful information and opinions on the subject matter. No reason for the disgruntled airline pilot to get mad at me.

Especially when I didn't take the job in the first place. Usually if someone is disgruntled it's because someone/something made them that way. If they have a problem they'd find a way to solve their situation. If they're going to try moan and groan on a pilot forum on the section for low time guys such as myself, they ought to find a different prey. We aren't the ones they should be disgruntled at.

And like I stated previously, I'm not looking to get coddled like a baby, nor spoon fed. I've already taken into consideration people can and will have their criticism, whether it be constructive or negative. But the point I'm getting across here is what POSITIVE comes out of something completely negative? It's of no help, no use. I asked for help and opinions and feedback. But when your outright negative about a simple question what help is of that to me? Or anybody else that may have a similar question on the subject matter.

I do AGREE instructing is an excellent way of gaining experience. But it seems as though that many don't realize that is NOT the only way to gain that experience.

But it's seems as though that you see only one way on the subject matter. I'm seeing it another way, while taking into consideration the way you that have brought to light. I could be wrong though. Look outside the box a little. Because too many are close minded.

LowSlowT2

Right, wrong, or indifferent - perception is reality.

...and not just in aviation. It may not be accurate and it may not be fair, but reality rarely is.

USMCFLYR

Actually - you have probably been on this forum long enough to figure out that the 300 pilot looking to do anything to get into 121 is exactly who these airline pilots are mad at most often for the attitude seen on some of the threads - like "I don't care about money, I just want to fly" or "I can't believe they pay me for this job when I would do it for free"

Tradition is a hard animal to break. Most people you interact on here who came up the civilian ranks exclusively will have done their fair of instructing. It isn't the ONLY way, it is the most common way, and is often to the most available way unless you are very lucky. I think I explained to you why instructing and evaluating are highly regarded in aviation in an earlier post, but those reasons are enumerated many times on APC. It is actually quite hard to get away from it

If that first sentence is meant to be directly related to me I'd like to know exactly what it is that you think I only see one way. Have I told you that you need to instruct?

USMCFLYR