Systemized

I have a prospective job in the works flying a Cessna 206, with a highly respected and well paying company. The problem is I have 450tt and for insurance the company needs at least 500tt (part 91). So I need 50 hours in a hurry, not an issue though. In fact I have a friend with a TBM700, that I can fly with to log time. By the way the company also wants 20tt in a 206 which I don't have but I figure TBM700 time will look good in place of the preferred but not required 20tt in 206.

I know what I can do and can't do as far as logging time in the TBM, but does anyone have any ideas of how I should log my time spent in the TBM700? I have my CFI, but the owner of the TBM does not. I figure I could either act as PIC (pretty much just work the auto pilot). Or I could provide dual given and still log PIC. Any one have any ideas on what I should do? Also I don't have a High Altitude edorse. which I figure I need asap, anyone in the Denver area think they might be able to help me out with that one? I also figure if I plan on logging TBM700 PIC time I need to learn the systems and plane inside and out asap (don't want to look like an idiot in an interview), insurance requirements are not an issue on the TBM700 by the way because the owner is self insured.

Please, would like some thoughts and insights or questions on my situation.

AbortAbortAbort

If I personally was interviewing you and happened to actually look at your logbook...I'd be a little curious about you giving dual in an airplane you weren't actually capable of acting as PIC in (no high alt).

Aside from that - log is as PIC if you're flying the plane. My advice is take it places and alternate who's flying, you fly and log out there, he fly and log back. 50 hours won't take too long if he flies it a decent bit. Of course it'd be pro-rata share (and expensive at that), but it's a whole other can of worms.

And of course if you're going to the interview and saying "I know you guys wanted 20 hours of 206 time..I don't have that but I do have 50 hours in a TBM-700", you might be ready to back that up with some knowledge of the plane.

brian434

Get that high altitude endorsement and then you can provide instruction in the TBM. I fly a 206 all the time with the same folks on board. If they aren't actively being instructed I don't log the time as instruction given. Don't cheat the system. Keep your logbook accurate and you will be beyond reproach later on.

Systemized

ok thanks for the insight.

The owner of the TBM flys it all the time for business, so I wouldn't be paying him to fly. He would be willing to let me instruct him (being self-insured and not doing any recurent training, he could use a little bit of practice on some things.)

I believe I would need to log 5hrs PIC before logging the dual given/pic?

I need the high alt endorsement first before anything. I know someone with a P-210, would that plane be good for the simulated emer. decent? The P-210 owner would most likly let his CFI go up with me in it because the P-210 owner is not a CFI.

Most of the flights in the TBM are short legs just under 1hr. A few longer flights here and there though.

Would the best thing for studying the TBM system be ask the owner for the books? (I here those french socata books are tough to understand)
Or are there some good online references?

Thanks again for any advice.

AbortAbortAbort

Some TBM info:
SmartCockpit - Socata TBM 700

The P210 would qualify for the high alt endorsement, but the owner might not be fond of his airplane being used for practice emergency descents (shock cooling).

The only time requirements prior to acting as a CFI are for multi engine aircraft, in which you need the 5 hours in make/model.

Hacker15e

Forgive the ignorance of a military dude, but why is the endorsement required for the airplane, even if the flights are not flown in the high altitude environment?

AbortAbortAbort

From 61.31:
I've omitted the last parts, with what's required, and what the exceptions are, but that's the jist. No specification about what altitude the aircraft is flying at, even to take a TBM or P210 or King Air around the pattern, the acting PIC must have the high alt endorsement.

Now he could log PIC without it no problem, but then you again get into the logging v. acting, and the instructor not having the appropriate ratings to act as PIC issues.

skydisaster

SmartCockpit - Socata TBM 700

Hacker15e

Great, thank you for the explanation.

Ziggy

I would be careful about this. Do your research about what your liabilities and risk exposures are. Simcom could give you a high altitude endorsement if you attend TBM training, which would probably be required by professional insurers.