AbortAbortAbort

Yes, because he is qualified to act as PIC. He obviously does.

But that doesn't mean you can just aimlessly give him instruction to build time. You could give him instruction to get fresh on instruments if he's willing to fly under the hood. You could also give him instruction to freshen up on the plane (if you had any experience in it). But not just to rack up time. I've tossed a resume before during an interview because a guy had given 500 hours of "dual given" to a friend of his in a C150. Ironically he had several hundred hours of "dual received" from the same friend. Coincidence? Me thinks not.

Instruction is supposed to be given for currency or towards a certificate or rating, not just to build time. I'm telling you as someone who interviews and hires pilots that it's not going to look good if it's obvious you're just giving dual to build time. If that's what you want to do, flight instruct.

Twin Wasp

Remember, if you are "acting as PIC" (FAR 1) you can not log the time unless the plane or regs require 2 pilots. I'd say working the autopilot is manipulating the controls so the owner should not be logging the time while you're driving.

I'm actually old school like WP and AAA. As AAA says, what looks good now may cause problems later. I know FedEx says on their app NOT to count any 61.51 "Sole Manipulator" time as PIC.

hypoxia

You're right! You will need a high altitude endorsement and high performance endorsement and complex endorsement and because it is turbine powered 5 hours in type.

AbortAbortAbort

No, no, no, and no.
Endorsements aren't needed to log PIC, just to act as PIC. He can give dual without any of them appropriate endorsements (screwy, huh) provided the pilot receiving dual is already rated and has said endorsements.
The five hours in type only applies to multi-engine aircraft.

Another thing I just thought of - a lot of insurance companies don't insure more complicated aircraft for dual training...so you should probably check into that before you even think about it.

hypoxia

You bring up an excellent point about the insurance requirements!

Systemized

I have flown with the owner of the TBM700 a few times already, not logging any time. The owner has never flown professionally, just for business travel, and has been flying for years (mostly turbine singles). He has had a few crashes (not to degrade from his ability) myself, along with other pilots on our field, know he could use some instruction, but it would be hard for me to tell him (I don't think it would be right either).

Being self insured, the owner of the TBM does not do recurrent training to my understanding. He does not seem like the type that thinks spending the money for training is for him.

Would providing free quality instruction, in return for me, logging quality time in a top notch airplane be a situation worth getting myself into as a low time pilot?

I'm also throwing the idea out there of spending my own money to get training in the airplane down at simcom (seems to be around 6K). It would certainly take care of the high alt endorement problem, which is why I started this thread. Would this be a foolish or a good idea? I have another friend with a TBM that has a pilot, and if I obtained proper training he would be more than happy to hire me as a backup when his guy is unable to fly (sickness, prior engagements flying other planes, vacation, etc.) He currently allows me to sit right seet with his pilot when ever weight is not an issue. I also don't think even with simcom training that insurance would allow me to act as PIC until I have at least 1000 hours tt, not sure though? Maybe going to simcom when I get closer to 1000tt would be a better idea? Even better if I could get someone else to pay for it, I don't know if that is going to happen though

With the proper training from simcom, I would think logging dual given in a TBM with the other TBM driver would not look iffy, like it might in my current situation (500hrs tt.)

The advice already provided in this thread has been extremely helpful, coming from guys that have been around aviation for years, as a young low time pilot any ideas or suggestions are a HUGE help, thanks again guys.

hypoxia

I noticed ALLATPS offers a high altitude/high performance training endorsement for $2995
ATP Flight School: Jet Transition

Perhaps there are places to do it cheaper? I know the FAA has the ground portion/altitude chamber for free. Airman Education Programs

Perhaps you could get a qualified CFI to observe you operate the pressurization system and accomplish an emergency descent in the TBM? Also, the FARS may still permit the training to be done in a "flight simulator representative of a pressurized aircraft."

RH1228

Would you have thrown the resume away if the 500hrs of "dual given" in the C150 was logged as "safety pilot" instead?

AbortAbortAbort

Yes, legal or not, in my opinion looking at that, that's just racking up time. I would of course ask the person about it, but if they start saying "we split the time as safety pilot to practice instrument procedures"...yeah...sure you did, for 500 hours.

67C, with the training from an appropriate training facility would be a different matter, especially if the guy needs some work as you say. Again, not just racking it up for total time but genuinely giving the guy instruction, which as you say would be difficult to tell him.

Still going to have insurance issues giving instruction in it but shouldn't be nearly as much of an issue with the appropriate training.

But...do you really wanna shell out multiple thousands of dollars for X amount of hours of single engine turbine?

wizepilot

I edited the above somewhat. First of all, I have, in the past gotten tied up with someone just like this. Does not believe in recurrent training, to cheap to spend for it, breaks the rules. PUT SOME DISTANCE BETWEEN YOU AND THIS PERSON! Take my word for it. If you give this guy any reasonable amount of instruction, and he bangs up the airplane or kills himself and/or somebody else, the insurance companies and others are going to come after you like a swarm of bees. Because your name and sign-offs are in his logbook. They could take you at fault for his training, or lack of, and fry you. I had a person once, who could not pass the instrument ride, three times. The last time he passed, but guess what, he had someone else forge my signature on the application (pre IACRA). He used to use my name on his flight plans when he filed IFR. I tried to get him caught on that one, but they did not get there soon enough. You have to watch out for people like this. The time in the airplane is not worth the possible repercussions.