Can I Flight Instruct a 5000 hour pilot?
03-23-2018, 07:55 PM
#32
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The FAA has determined that the logging of flight time is compensation, as previously noted. You seem to want to slight those who understand the regulation. If you don't understand the regulation, don't dole out counsel on how to slide around it.
03-24-2018, 03:46 AM
#33
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Nope, not slighting anyone. I understand the regulation just fine. That why is said just to log the total time (not dual given or PIC) and be done with it to avoid conflicts. I do not see how that is trying to slide around it when it is the safest option. The only way he could not log any of that time is if it was a high performance (SR22 or SR22T) and he did not have that endorsement. Other than that, it is a single engine piston airplane. So again, JUST. LOG. THE. TOTAL. TIME.
03-24-2018, 04:07 AM
#34
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Then maybe reading the entire thread might help?
From the OP:
I met this guy who owns a cirrus...
03-24-2018, 07:22 AM
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03-24-2018, 08:33 AM
#38
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Nope, not slighting anyone. I understand the regulation just fine. That why is said just to log the total time (not dual given or PIC) and be done with it to avoid conflicts. I do not see how that is trying to slide around it when it is the safest option. The only way he could not log any of that time is if it was a high performance (SR22 or SR22T) and he did not have that endorsement. Other than that, it is a single engine piston airplane. So again, JUST. LOG. THE. TOTAL. TIME.
Log the duration of flight, you say. This somehow makes the original poster "safe." How, exactly? What is his status during the "total time" he logged? Pilot in command? Second in command? Perhaps a Cirrus second officer, the new single engine piston flight engineer? What exactly is he that justifies logging the time? Passenger?
Now any passenger can write down passenger time in his or her logbook. Doesn't mean squat, and it's worthless, and it still doesn't meet any legal classification of time, sitting there in the seat, not a required crew member, not in a position to log or act as pilot in command (two different subjects). Not anything, really, but a passenger, and your guidance, while dismissive of "keyboard warriors" and "lawyers" who have contributed with valid information, is to "JUST. LOG. THE. TOTAL. TIME?" How adroitly absent of useful information and incorrect this is.
What description of the flight might be included in the logbook, when entering this passenger time, then? "Sat patiently like a bump on a log in the right seat while viewing the fall leaves decay," perhaps? If there's no valid justification for logging in the first place, then one is left with either passenger time, or time spent on the ramp looking up at aircraft. Otherwise, unless one has a valid, legal justification for logging the time as PIC or SIC, then it's little more than padding the logbook as a passenger.
Brilliant, counselor. Just log it. Just brilliant.
Not.
03-24-2018, 09:12 AM
#39
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Capitalizing your words doesn't make them any closer to having an understanding of the regulation, which you do not.
Log the duration of flight, you say. This somehow makes the original poster "safe." How, exactly? What is his status during the "total time" he logged? Pilot in command? Second in command? Perhaps a Cirrus second officer, the new single engine piston flight engineer? What exactly is he that justifies logging the time? Passenger?
Now any passenger can write down passenger time in his or her logbook. Doesn't mean squat, and it's worthless, and it still doesn't meet any legal classification of time, sitting there in the seat, not a required crew member, not in a position to log or act as pilot in command (two different subjects). Not anything, really, but a passenger, and your guidance, while dismissive of "keyboard warriors" and "lawyers" who have contributed with valid information, is to "JUST. LOG. THE. TOTAL. TIME?" How adroitly absent of useful information and incorrect this is.
What description of the flight might be included in the logbook, when entering this passenger time, then? "Sat patiently like a bump on a log in the right seat while viewing the fall leaves decay," perhaps? If there's no valid justification for logging in the first place, then one is left with either passenger time, or time spent on the ramp looking up at aircraft. Otherwise, unless one has a valid, legal justification for logging the time as PIC or SIC, then it's little more than padding the logbook as a passenger.
Brilliant, counselor. Just log it. Just brilliant.
Not.
Log the duration of flight, you say. This somehow makes the original poster "safe." How, exactly? What is his status during the "total time" he logged? Pilot in command? Second in command? Perhaps a Cirrus second officer, the new single engine piston flight engineer? What exactly is he that justifies logging the time? Passenger?
Now any passenger can write down passenger time in his or her logbook. Doesn't mean squat, and it's worthless, and it still doesn't meet any legal classification of time, sitting there in the seat, not a required crew member, not in a position to log or act as pilot in command (two different subjects). Not anything, really, but a passenger, and your guidance, while dismissive of "keyboard warriors" and "lawyers" who have contributed with valid information, is to "JUST. LOG. THE. TOTAL. TIME?" How adroitly absent of useful information and incorrect this is.
What description of the flight might be included in the logbook, when entering this passenger time, then? "Sat patiently like a bump on a log in the right seat while viewing the fall leaves decay," perhaps? If there's no valid justification for logging in the first place, then one is left with either passenger time, or time spent on the ramp looking up at aircraft. Otherwise, unless one has a valid, legal justification for logging the time as PIC or SIC, then it's little more than padding the logbook as a passenger.
Brilliant, counselor. Just log it. Just brilliant.
Not.
03-24-2018, 03:40 PM
#40
All is fine at .79
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Once had a German Lufthansa regional Captain (late 20’s) walk in with his super model girlfriend.
Balked at the checkout requirements to rent a SE piston ( min. 1 hr flight and Private PTS Proficiency )
“ Yes Yes but I am ze Kaptain of ze Embrear wiz Lufthansa”
Eventually walked away with his eye rolling selfie taking gold digger.
Point being, log when you ( legally) can.
I’ve been a CFI long enough to know the risks and the seductions.
Balked at the checkout requirements to rent a SE piston ( min. 1 hr flight and Private PTS Proficiency )
“ Yes Yes but I am ze Kaptain of ze Embrear wiz Lufthansa”
Eventually walked away with his eye rolling selfie taking gold digger.
Point being, log when you ( legally) can.
I’ve been a CFI long enough to know the risks and the seductions.
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