60av8tor

Even though you seem pretty proud of your own opinions, the FAA disagrees. Every job has minimum requirements for entry. The market decides if those minimums are enough, not some guy on the internet with an over-inflated sense of self. To the OP, good luck on the search.

JohnBurke

I had about seven thousand hours when I was hired with my first airline, but that's quite irrelevant. Better luck with your sarcasm next time.

I said nothing of self, nor did I express any level of pride in opinion. You did, just now.

The FAA does not disagree or agree. The regulation mandates ATP qualifications as a minimum in this case, and does so because it was mandated so by congress as a political action. The FAA expresses no approval or disapproval in the matter.

Seeking out the bare minimum qualification, however, has never been a hallmark of professionalism.

As for the market deciding adequacy of experience, also untrue. The regionals have long been bottom feeders, paying as little as possible (see a theme there?), and often get those who seek out to do the bare minimum, as a result.

60av8tor

It's irrelevant, but yet here it is

"Pathetic" Uh...ok...



So I wait until I have 7000 hours flying a Navajo or KA around and now I'm professional? Mmmm...


So you're saying the market has no bearing on the mins operators hire at? Other than legally mandated mins, I'm not sure how you make this argument - or maybe I'm inferring something you're not implying..? I need to hire 25 pilots a month, I receive 100 applications per month vs. I scrounge for applicants, send mailers based on the airman database, etc. Just because you chose to pull yourself from the market (which I commend you for in some sense if that's what you did way back when) you're still off the market. I'm not arguing pilot shortage, just market segment shortage here. And I absolutely think it affects initial hiring qualifications.

I don't see your connection with regionals, pay, and pilots hired by them seeking to get by with the bare minimum. So anyone in any profession should pass on a job where they are minimally qualified, go do something else not as closely related, and then come back when they are more qualified? I want to fly 121 at a 'respectable' mainline operator. I don't have the experience for them to look twice at my app. I can get hired by a regional - 3000TT, but only 1000 airplane, and 125 ME - but I shouldn't because it's unprofessional and I'm seeking the bare minimum? Please explain this one more.

Not trying to get in a pi$$ing match - you have way more experience in the airplane/civilian side - I do enjoy hearing opposing viewpoints. I just feel like you're painting with a really broad brush and may be a bit biased by the path you followed.

TiredSoul

Those 16 hrs you're looking for better be high quality time with an 1000 year old evil MEI.
Doodling around VFR is not going to be of any value.
You still have sim rides to pass so you'd better be on top of your game.
SE approaches and if you find a capable twin also SE go arounds.
Holds, VOR/NDB you get the idea.

JohnBurke

Yes, irrelevant, and there it was, because YOU brought it up.

So you say. I said nothing of the kind. Speak for yourself, if you think you're able.

I didn't. I've been steadily flying for several decades. I'm not off the market, nor was I. Again, irrelevant, but you brought it up.

Clearly you don't. It may be a comprehension problem, or perhaps you're simply very new.

If you say so. I certainly didn't. Speak for yourself, if you think you are able.

You're not minimally qualified, nor did you state that your'e seeking to get by with the bare minimum. You aren't trying to get a paltry few multi hours to get barely qualified, and your case is irrelevant as you're seeking neither the bare minimum (the original poster is seeking a position at the regionals, and you are not). Explaining it to you might likely go over your head, given your difficulty in understanding.

No, my view is based on several decades of professional experience.

60av8tor

Wow - sorry to waste your time. Wouldn't want you to have to explain yourself and have it go over my head. I know you'll see it as anything but, but cheese and rice, get defensive much? I'll let you have the last word - as I know you always must. Won't make the mistake of engaging a professional again

Jecain7

lol yea. That is the most derp i've seen on the interweb in awhile, but whatever, just trying to get it done for a class date in july.

60av8tor

No kidding, and I'm disappointed in myself that I engaged.

SonicFlyer

This is the result of the way the industry operates. Low time pilot pay is below poverty wages, so people can't afford to do low time jobs for very long.

JohnBurke

The wages arent low to prevent people from doing low wage jobs for very long.

The wages are low because people agree to work for them, because there's no pilot shortage, because of cheap employers, because there's no shortage of dazed wannabees with shiny jet syndrome who will work for nothing, and because people are willing to accept it.

Lets face it, airlines and corporations have been selling jobs for some time, charging those willing to prostitute themselves for training, interviews, ratings, etc...and there's been no shortage of those willing to bend over for it. It's the typical race to the bottom. Not asking what one can do to get some solid time and experience under their belt, but how they can get the absolute minimum. Do as little as possible. Be as little as possible.

It's the gospel of the milennial church. Much like the guy that pulled up to the opposite side of the fuel pump a few days ago as I filled up. "sure wish this stuff was free," He muttered. "I dont see why they cant just give it to me."

There are lazier, but not much.