Red Wing Aero?
09-27-2022, 04:57 PM
#141
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Joined APC: Oct 2016
Posts: 296
I left RWAC as soon as I could and cannot in good faith suggest it to anyone who has other options. I hope things have improved in the intervening years but after seeing RWAC crews on the road from time to time and talking to my friends who are either still there or left more recently say that it is still not a good place to work. Best of luck.
10-30-2022, 05:01 PM
#144
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Joined APC: Dec 2011
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 1,003
11-02-2022, 06:54 AM
#146
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Joined APC: Jun 2022
Posts: 22
It’s not a completely terrible idea to go to Red Wing for a type rating. However, I would caution against any long term plan with any company that Vista owns: XOJET, Red Wing, Jet Edge.
02-22-2023, 12:34 AM
#147
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Joined APC: Feb 2023
Posts: 5
How long have you been at RW and where were you flying before?
I would strongly encourage you to find out exactly why your CP at RW departed XOJET…… I would also encourage you to consider the following:
Vista had a poor reputation from the pilot/labor perspective when they purchased XOJET in 2018. The XOJET pilot group worked hard to be optimistic and I do think that Vista initially wanted to grow the XOJET brand--I realize this last statement is highly controversial. However, with Vista’s inability to listen to those in North America (MCC/FXE) and their lack of understanding of the US labor market (specifically pilots), it became more and more obvious that they wanted nothing to do with the company culture. From there it was a slow and painful disassembly of XOJET. The aircraft will slowly be moved over to RW/JE and management will continue to make the environment at XOJET one that people will want to leave.
To those considering RW: If you want to go there for a year or so and get a type then go for it. As with all job changes in aviation—know what you are getting into. If you are a “yes man” type of manager then RW will be great for you and you will thrive under Vista management. However, if you are a manager who will push back against poor decisions then RW probably isn’t the place for you. You will likely get fired or sidelined as other Vista compliant managers move up the chain. If you are a pilot you can expect to see the communication/transparency decrease and pay/QOL slowly fade. Vista has a clear track record. I do not expect them to change their ways or learn from their missteps at XOJET. Vista may be growing as a company but that growth doesn’t necessarily mean it will be good for you. Regardless, you don’t want to be a pilot stuck in the middle of their fear-based culture.
I would strongly encourage you to find out exactly why your CP at RW departed XOJET…… I would also encourage you to consider the following:
Vista had a poor reputation from the pilot/labor perspective when they purchased XOJET in 2018. The XOJET pilot group worked hard to be optimistic and I do think that Vista initially wanted to grow the XOJET brand--I realize this last statement is highly controversial. However, with Vista’s inability to listen to those in North America (MCC/FXE) and their lack of understanding of the US labor market (specifically pilots), it became more and more obvious that they wanted nothing to do with the company culture. From there it was a slow and painful disassembly of XOJET. The aircraft will slowly be moved over to RW/JE and management will continue to make the environment at XOJET one that people will want to leave.
To those considering RW: If you want to go there for a year or so and get a type then go for it. As with all job changes in aviation—know what you are getting into. If you are a “yes man” type of manager then RW will be great for you and you will thrive under Vista management. However, if you are a manager who will push back against poor decisions then RW probably isn’t the place for you. You will likely get fired or sidelined as other Vista compliant managers move up the chain. If you are a pilot you can expect to see the communication/transparency decrease and pay/QOL slowly fade. Vista has a clear track record. I do not expect them to change their ways or learn from their missteps at XOJET. Vista may be growing as a company but that growth doesn’t necessarily mean it will be good for you. Regardless, you don’t want to be a pilot stuck in the middle of their fear-based culture.
02-22-2023, 07:58 AM
#148
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Joined APC: Jan 2023
Posts: 186
This is true. XO jet fired him and Vista Jet only transferred him and made him a CP at Red Wing! Red Wing can't keep anyone and now they are going after crews in court to collect from training contracts. Rumor is they also are being sued by a crew. A crew called fatigue and red wing suspended them without pay.
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