own nav

You have nothing to gain by revealing your identity to him. The fact that he threw out an ad hominem without rebutting a single thing you said speaks volumes.

Messageman

And he’s one of the chief pilots so that speaks even more.

AnonymousAMF

If anyone has questions about what’s posted you can ask me. I’m leaving after the bonus though I’m a couple months because all of these rumors have been around for months and leadership hasn’t said anything. We got killed this peak because they don’t understand the times are changing and they aren’t competitive and we’re understaffed. Sad to see them posted here and TV not say they’re wrong. To me that means they’re all true and that’s sad.

Management still doesn’t understand it’s a pilots market. It’s caused ameriflight to lost very good pilots and even more will leave. Pretty soon they won’t be able to actually fly any of their routes.

frmrbuffdrvr

I can state that I have not heard anything about renewing the Peak2Peak bonus. (And if you are talking about the old "turbine retention bonus", that was rolled into the base pay a couple of years ago so that any additional flight pay was at a higher than previous rate.) But without the P2P, I don't see where that makes AMF the "worst paid large UPS feeder." Basically because there aren't that many large UPS feeder operations and the ones I can find pay scales for, AMF has them beat even without the P2P bonus.

Not true. In fact, there 2 pilots scheduled for the ATP/CTP course over the next month.

Also not true. It has currently been cut back as we look at the program at how it is funded. But we are the only operator (that I am aware of) that currently has the exemption for captains to operate IFR under 135. And that has been useful for us as well as being a pathway for low time pilots to come here. We have never "needed" FOs in the other aircraft. We are willing to pay pilots to fly under our exemption program to get their hours with the expectation they will fly productively for us for a period of time.

It is true that we are no longer hiring pilots into the HBC program. The difficulty with the guys who have to go TDY is several are at or from bases where the runs have gone away. We have nothing directly for them to fly at the base they are (or were, in the case of a closed base) at and so they either would have to bid to another aircraft or base or go TDY. Or leave. Which is not, of course, our preference.

Messageman

So I was right?

no bonus means you should compare year one pay scales to other twin turbine feeders.

Ameriflight Beech 99 is $50000 a year and 1900 and metro is $67000. The 120 is 70000. Per diem doesn’t count because you rarely get it.

frieghtrunners pays beech 99 55000 and beech 1900 73000 and 120 gets 103000 not counting per diem. Huge difference there.

Alpine air gets Beech 99 49900 and beech 1900 64400. But they have a retention bonus that pays 7000 and their per diem is better so assume another 7000 for a total of 65000 and 78000. Sub air is in line with freight runners from what I know. Ameriflight is clearly last.

The ACP program is dying. The words you used proved that. That is management speak for we don’t want to or can’t pay for it.

You may have two atp right now but that doesn’t affect the future of the program and those probably were prior commitments. You did not address the future of it.

Pure floater captains are essential to the operation of a company. I know that you’ve been sending captains who don’t fit what you’ve been saying tdy. People who haven’t had their lines reduced at all or based closed.

Ive also talked to some of my friends still there and they haven’t heard any of this from management at all so as far as I’m concerned nothing changed here and applicants beware.

NewbiePilot

It seems that Ameriflight doesn’t find as much value in their Beech 99 Captains. According to the new bonus structure at least. I honestly wonder how many they’ll lose once the current captains collect their final peak to peak bonus soon. I guess we will find out. I’ll just wait patiently to see how many abandon ship and end up making the move to greener pastures. After all, losing the bonus officially puts them as the lowest paid 99 Captains when compared to their competitors. It seems to be a gamble, we'll see how it plays out.

I will say however, I recognize that Ameriflight is at least making an effort to still give bonuses to type rated captains. While it’s not as good as the old program that was canceled by UPS, I appreciate their attempt to at least retain some of the bonus structure in a new program.

frmrbuffdrvr

The effort is to get folks to move up into the typed planes. Right now we don't have a problem getting enough BE99 pilots. It's in getting more of them to move up to the metro and BE1900.

AnonymousAMF

here’s a thought why not raise base salary 100000 and then have the bonus. You’re behind the market and this doesn’t fix it and retention bonuses are managements way of saying we don’t trust you to stay. Pay people enough for the work they put in and they will stay.

AnonymousAMF

meant 10000

FlightLife

My first year at AMF: 67,000 (not including bonus)

Second year: near 100,000 (Not including bonus)

All you have to do is move up into type rated equipment and become an instructor (not hard to do). There are always opportunities to advance.

Peak season is not that bad. In fact, the schedule is the same; fly out in the morning and fly back in the evening.

I didn't TDY once the last two peaks (not that it matters; I don't mind a week flying in a new location once in a while). Some bases may TDY more than others; it just depends on pilot resources at the time.

If you don't like it here, that's fine. Just don't bad mouth the company and make up lies based off rumors you may have heard.

I carefully considered all options before coming to AMF. The company seemed to be the best fit for me in attaining my goals. If its not the best fit for you, then that's fine; plenty of other options. I read a lot of negative garbage on these forums about AMF beforehand, and was pleasantly surprised to see that a lot of it wasn't true after arriving.

I agree the schedule does suck, being that you're away from home all day, but that's just what the schedule is in feeder cargo flying. Certainly not a career job (for some it is), but I find it a great stepping stone.