Ameriflight
08-06-2018, 12:40 PM
#4641
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Why is it unrealistic for an AMF pilot to expect to go directly to a legacy? I figured the twin turbine PIC (especially in the brasilia or the 1900) + the current shortage would be enough for this to be reasonable.
Is the lack of 121 experience really that much of a killer?
Is the lack of 121 experience really that much of a killer?
08-06-2018, 12:55 PM
#4642
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What would be the chances of an ameriflight pilot getting into a legacy pax airline such as united, aa, or delta? I read that the chances would be very slim but just seeing what you guys think about it.
For those of you working at ameriflight, what are your future career goals and/or companies you hope to enter after ameriflight?
For those of you working at ameriflight, what are your future career goals and/or companies you hope to enter after ameriflight?
Allegiant/Frontier are your best bets as they have some preferential interview programs. I think all the AMF programs will lock you in for 3 years before you can do anything so keep that in mind. I know people have gone to Allegiant, Frontier, Omni and Atlas from AMF but not in large numbers. Don't pick AMF as a means to look great on a resume, pick it because you want to fly sorta single pilot ops in older airplanes.
Wipe legacy carriers from the lexicon.
08-06-2018, 12:56 PM
#4643
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AMF advertisements claim they have flow-through agreements. This is incorrect.
A flow is a guaranteed path.
A gateway is a guaranteed interview.
Ameriflight does not have any flow-through programs. Until they offer AMF pilots, in seniority order, class dates at Omni, Allegiant, Frontier, or UPS, there is no flow; only a guaranteed interview. Having pathway programs is great, but calling it a “flow” is false advertising.
A flow is a guaranteed path.
A gateway is a guaranteed interview.
Ameriflight does not have any flow-through programs. Until they offer AMF pilots, in seniority order, class dates at Omni, Allegiant, Frontier, or UPS, there is no flow; only a guaranteed interview. Having pathway programs is great, but calling it a “flow” is false advertising.
08-06-2018, 01:03 PM
#4644
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Perhaps..
The issue with a guaranteed "job" as with a flow is that many individuals that would never cut it in an 121 could never be hired to work 135....it might be due to history of some type, or just personality....but the interview process would have to match the partners.
The fact that the airlines with agreements have a process to be accepted to them for "flow" or interview with milestones you must meet makes the milestones effectively a long interview....
Yes, going straight to a legacy is not likely, but to a LCC is common, as is freight company to fly a 767....or simply go to UPS, ALSO on the list....think most would consider a job at UPS to be a success...
Different lifestyle, and different upgrade path.... sometimes you don't end up with the path or the end you though...many people like the lifestyle, then stay, or even fly corporate. Not all people's final goal is a "legacy" carrier....and depending on when you are hired in relation to growth and retirements, a legacy job MIGHT result in decades of stagnation....ask a United guy from the 90's...or the guys from defunct carrier's that did not get bought.... starting over....
Personally I LIKE getting my hotel points, and having a rental car/crew car more often than not, and having most weekends off....and alternating one week and two weeks off, a vacation, and avoiding the BS of many places.
Is it perfect, no. However, it is a choice that should be considered and might be a good option for many IMHO.
I ADVOCATE that anybody consider ALL options, and the meat grinder of the regionals are not everyone's "cup of tea", nor is the lifestyle with the typical commute.
The issue with a guaranteed "job" as with a flow is that many individuals that would never cut it in an 121 could never be hired to work 135....it might be due to history of some type, or just personality....but the interview process would have to match the partners.
The fact that the airlines with agreements have a process to be accepted to them for "flow" or interview with milestones you must meet makes the milestones effectively a long interview....
Yes, going straight to a legacy is not likely, but to a LCC is common, as is freight company to fly a 767....or simply go to UPS, ALSO on the list....think most would consider a job at UPS to be a success...
Different lifestyle, and different upgrade path.... sometimes you don't end up with the path or the end you though...many people like the lifestyle, then stay, or even fly corporate. Not all people's final goal is a "legacy" carrier....and depending on when you are hired in relation to growth and retirements, a legacy job MIGHT result in decades of stagnation....ask a United guy from the 90's...or the guys from defunct carrier's that did not get bought.... starting over....
Personally I LIKE getting my hotel points, and having a rental car/crew car more often than not, and having most weekends off....and alternating one week and two weeks off, a vacation, and avoiding the BS of many places.
Is it perfect, no. However, it is a choice that should be considered and might be a good option for many IMHO.
I ADVOCATE that anybody consider ALL options, and the meat grinder of the regionals are not everyone's "cup of tea", nor is the lifestyle with the typical commute.
He isn't arguing whether a flow is right for AMF or not, he is saying that the "flow" programs as AMF states, are indeed not flow programs, and he is 100% correct. There is no perhaps, or sorta, or maybe.
I agree with the issue of a flow and not possibly having the applicant match the culture of the new company, that happens at American all the time, but regardless what AMF sells as a flow, is not a flow, not even close.
You sound a bit like a recruiter, "just go to UPS!" Yea easier said than done, in fact way easier said than done. How many people have gone to UPS since the program was announced years ago?
Oh and btw I am not sure I know anyone that goes to legacy to merely "progress." The money is greater no matter what seat you're in, than almost any corporate job and especially long term, isn't even close.
I do agree with you though, not everyone wants to go to the airlines.
08-06-2018, 03:01 PM
#4645
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The programs wasn't announce "years ago." It was announced the beginning of this year. And the first people into the mentoring phase, which is a year long, will finish that portion in January. So no one has gone to UPS via the program. Basically because the program hasn't existed long enough. But three people will go there in January. And a couple more three months after that. And so on.
08-06-2018, 03:46 PM
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The programs wasn't announce "years ago." It was announced the beginning of this year. And the first people into the mentoring phase, which is a year long, will finish that portion in January. So no one has gone to UPS via the program. Basically because the program hasn't existed long enough. But three people will go there in January. And a couple more three months after that. And so on.
08-06-2018, 03:55 PM
#4647
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The programs wasn't announce "years ago." It was announced the beginning of this year. And the first people into the mentoring phase, which is a year long, will finish that portion in January. So no one has gone to UPS via the program. Basically because the program hasn't existed long enough. But three people will go there in January. And a couple more three months after that. And so on.
Huge difference.
08-06-2018, 05:44 PM
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They are interviewing. However, they are spending time this year with a UPS mentor and doing things that UPS asks of them. So it's not like a walk in off the street, even with an internal rec. From what UPS has told us, if they get to that point it is pretty much theirs to lose.
08-06-2018, 05:47 PM
#4649
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The program for AMF pilots was announced officially last November.
08-06-2018, 05:54 PM
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They are interviewing. However, they are spending time this year with a UPS mentor and doing things that UPS asks of them. So it's not like a walk in off the street, even with an internal rec. From what UPS has told us, if they get to that point it is pretty much theirs to lose.
It’s a long process just for an interview.
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