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Old 08-04-2018, 01:54 PM
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Zippy, are you the one on here out of SLC? If so, I may PM some questions your way.
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Old 08-05-2018, 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ZippyNH
My thoughts...
It varries...and to the extremes.
There are routes for people want to build time...and routes for people looking for a easy, regular gig .. Largely it is customer driven...but schedules are pretty well set.
The brown box flights are out, with sometimes one stop, sit for 8-9 hours (in a hotel usually), then return, one or two stops (a stop is just 20 minutes, less if you can make it faster)then in a hotel overnight....do it all week. Depending on the coast, it might be early or later... So you typically are working or in a hotel/home...unless waiting for cargo from a late connection in the AM...then pilots stamd around and BS for an hour or so and talk...
Typically you don't actually "work" more than 4-6 hours a day if the jet bringing in your cargo is on time in the AM, but it is split into two half's... some can deal with that, some need to adjust.
I have flown as little as 1.3 RT day or more like 3+ RT
Other customers may require up to 8 hours with an optional 91 repo leg with 5+ legs....and a "round-robin" routing...
Some trips never leave a state...some x-country, or half x-country with the cargo getting relayed. Simply put, there are routes for time builders, and routes for a person looking for more if an easy regular schedule.
As to loading/unloading cargo...a huge shift has occurred in the past few months...MOST of the flights are "no touch", but that's not to say you will not need to possiblely shift cargo at a stop for CG reasons (if you plan well, it can often be avoided), or there might be a customer who requires you move the cargo to the door for the driver to unload....
Biggest thing at this level is to be flexible, get the job done and communicate...
Thank you, this info is very helpful. One additional question. If your essentially a single pilot operation, how can the quick upgrade new hires log time while doubling up with a single pilot captain. Do you have something in your op specs that allows for these pilots to log SIC on the legs they double up to build total time so they can upgrade?

Thanks again.
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Old 08-05-2018, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator
Thank you, this info is very helpful. One additional question. If your essentially a single pilot operation, how can the quick upgrade new hires log time while doubling up with a single pilot captain. Do you have something in your op specs that allows for these pilots to log SIC on the legs they double up to build total time so they can upgrade?

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The opps spec allows it......so no legal worries...it can be logged... It is 100% ok with the FAA, and they are well aware of it. Functionality they become a required crew member when assigned the trip, and can then Legally log it as per the ops spec's and the FAA. While others might be able to give you more specific info, I can say it is all "above board", nothing sketchy going on.
If I recall right (depending on the program, there are a couple of different variations based on how many hours a person is hired with... prior pages have all the info several times)most get a VFR 135 checkout...then can fly alone in good weather, or trade legs as needed when less than ideal...
Heck...kinda remember getting cut loose in a caravan (different company, different era), at night, alone, and getting into ice and also dodging thunderstorms for the first time in a twin....you learned fast, and made more correct choices that wrong or you didn't survive. Getting to have a few hours with an more experienced captain and getting schooled in real world hard IFR IMO is a great option.... priceless actually.

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Old 08-05-2018, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ZippyNH
Heck...kinda remember getting cut loose in a caravan (different company, different era), at night, alone, and getting into ice and also dodging thunderstorms for the first time in a twin....
The famous twin engine Caravan...
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Old 08-05-2018, 12:14 PM
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The famous twin engine Caravan...
Caravan in the winter in Michigan...
Then a C-404 in tornado aley in the spring in Missouri....
Didn't think it was hard to figure out...since I called one a caravan, and the other a twin...
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Old 08-05-2018, 09:01 PM
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What would be the chances of an ameriflight pilot getting into a legacy pax airline such as united, aa, or delta? I read that the chances would be very slim but just seeing what you guys think about it.

For those of you working at ameriflight, what are your future career goals and/or companies you hope to enter after ameriflight?
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Old 08-05-2018, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ZippyNH
The opps spec allows it......so no legal worries...it can be logged... It is 100% ok with the FAA, and they are well aware of it. Functionality they become a required crew member when assigned the trip, and can then Legally log it as per the ops spec's and the FAA. While others might be able to give you more specific info, I can say it is all "above board", nothing sketchy going on.
If I recall right (depending on the program, there are a couple of different variations based on how many hours a person is hired with... prior pages have all the info several times)most get a VFR 135 checkout...then can fly alone in good weather, or trade legs as needed when less than ideal...
Heck...kinda remember getting cut loose in a caravan (different company, different era), at night, alone, and getting into ice and also dodging thunderstorms for the first time in a twin....you learned fast, and made more correct choices that wrong or you didn't survive. Getting to have a few hours with an more experienced captain and getting schooled in real world hard IFR IMO is a great option.... priceless actually.
Thanks for taking all the time to respond to my questions. Very helpful, I’ve forwarded to my friend. He’s going to send a resume to Ameriflight very soon. Best of luck to you, hope to see you here at United someday soon.
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Old 08-06-2018, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by MettetalAir
What would be the chances of an ameriflight pilot getting into a legacy pax airline such as united, aa, or delta? I read that the chances would be very slim but just seeing what you guys think about it.
Slim to anorexic. AMF pilots at Legacies got picked up from Regional, Charter, Fractional, or Corporate, but not directly from AMF.
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Old 08-06-2018, 10:24 AM
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AMF advertisements claim they have flow-through agreements. This is incorrect.

A flow is a guaranteed path.

A gateway is a guaranteed interview.

Ameriflight does not have any flow-through programs. Until they offer AMF pilots, in seniority order, class dates at Omni, Allegiant, Frontier, or UPS, there is no flow; only a guaranteed interview. Having pathway programs is great, but calling it a “flow” is false advertising.
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Old 08-06-2018, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Fr8Thrust
AMF advertisements claim they have flow-through agreements. This is incorrect.

A flow is a guaranteed path.

A gateway is a guaranteed interview.

Ameriflight does not have any flow-through programs. Until they offer AMF pilots, in seniority order, class dates at Omni, Allegiant, Frontier, or UPS, there is no flow; only a guaranteed interview. Having pathway programs is great, but calling it a “flow” is false advertising.
Perhaps..

The issue with a guaranteed "job" as with a flow is that many individuals that would never cut it in an 121 could never be hired to work 135....it might be due to history of some type, or just personality....but the interview process would have to match the partners.
The fact that the airlines with agreements have a process to be accepted to them for "flow" or interview with milestones you must meet makes the milestones effectively a long interview....

Yes, going straight to a legacy is not likely, but to a LCC is common, as is freight company to fly a 767....or simply go to UPS, ALSO on the list....think most would consider a job at UPS to be a success...
Different lifestyle, and different upgrade path.... sometimes you don't end up with the path or the end you though...many people like the lifestyle, then stay, or even fly corporate. Not all people's final goal is a "legacy" carrier....and depending on when you are hired in relation to growth and retirements, a legacy job MIGHT result in decades of stagnation....ask a United guy from the 90's...or the guys from defunct carrier's that did not get bought.... starting over....
Personally I LIKE getting my hotel points, and having a rental car/crew car more often than not, and having most weekends off....and alternating one week and two weeks off, a vacation, and avoiding the BS of many places.
Is it perfect, no. However, it is a choice that should be considered and might be a good option for many IMHO.
I ADVOCATE that anybody consider ALL options, and the meat grinder of the regionals are not everyone's "cup of tea", nor is the lifestyle with the typical commute.
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