LRSRanger

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So which one is it scooter? Is this poor guy gonna get his upgrade to MIA in a reasonable amount of time or not? Talking to him you say 300 hours (about 6 months of flying on a lot of 99 runs) and you can upgrade to MIA and a metro, and then just a couple posts later you say it takes longer than 6 months to upgrade. How much longer? A year, 18 months?

So here you have this guy making a career decision based upon folks telling him his potential upgrade time is significantly under a year. The SAME thing happened to me. I was told i would have opportunities to bid what my family needed, and that didn't happen. It wasn't my logbook times or my qualifications, I was a training captain, no failed checkrides etc. No responses on my requests, either positive or negative. My emails, phone calls, and requests went largely into a black hole. So I quit at 11 months with the company. Had management at least given me the dignity of a response to my requests, I most likely would still be flying Amazon boxes full of junk. If it wasn't a crap place to work your employees might stick around. Try not answering your supervisors phone calls, texts or emails for a month and see if you don't get fired. Why shouldn't it work the other way?

I apologize for "trolling" this thread by trying to insert a little bit of honesty. Ameriflight doesn't give a damn about its pilots outside of them being bags of meat which take their cargo from point A to point B. I'm still waiting for my pay issue from November to be resolved. That's how much they care. Potential new hires deserve to hear that side of the story.


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LRSRanger

Smart kid. It'll happen eventually, but I wouldn't count on any sort of timeline.


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frmrbuffdrvr

And a lot of 99 runs don't get 50 hour per month. Which is why I prefer to talk hours and not months. I can't tell someone I have never met that he will be able to move from where he is when he gets here to transitioning into a metro (or any other plane) in a certain amount of time. I have seen that done in the past and then the pilot himself doesn't have the skills to go that quick and then it becomes our fault that he doesn't upgrade. I'm not saying this pilot doesn't but I just don't know.

You gripe about being sold a bill of goods. I try not to do that. I will always try to give the most accurate information that I have, based on my experience both as a pilot and with the time I have spent at AMF. If that doesn't agree with your take, please don't imply that I'm a liar.

LRSRanger

And I do the same. I was there, been there, done that. I know what my corner of AMF was like; it sucked. Good experience, PIC time and move on sooner rather than later. Good riddance. I know and stay in contact with a half dozen folks who's experiences mirror mine, all of who's (often brief) time at AMF qualified them for bigger and better things.

And I won't insinuate you are a liar so long as you don't try to devalue my opinion by labeling me as a troll. I have just as much of a right to my opinion as you do, and just as much of a right to voice it. I just have (what I assume) higher career aspirations than you do, so I didn't stay in the suck any longer than was required to increase my income and quality of life somewhere else.

I've never told folks not to work there, I've just cautioned them buyer beware, and that after 500 hours of PIC turbine time they can make double AMF pay with a little networking and some personality. Both of which are true, so why are you so defensive?


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vadermonkey

hey guys, maybe I opened up a can of worms here...

I just wanted to thank all of you for your help in making my decision, as of this afternoon I did indeed accept the offer they gave me for the Salt Lake 99 position, and my class date is Mar 14. I took all of your advice to heart, and both positive and negative experiences described assisted me in making my final decision. due to the lack of training contract and relatively low risk to join and moderate pay, I think even if it's a mistake, it cant hurt to try, especially compared to the joke 135 i'm stuck in now.

Thank you all again, and hopefully we'll meet on the line

Cheers

LRSRanger

Congrats! Whether your experience is good or bad you will be a better pilot for it; I'm still glad I did some time there. I am surprised there was no training contract, though I do know a metro guy hired last fall that never signed one either. Free ATP and a type for him.

Best of luck!


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Snotrocket

Congrats! As LRS has pointed out, results here greatly vary. Luckily my experiences at the SLC base have been pretty sweet... Home every night and spend your days flying through the mountains.

vadermonkey

by the way, how's the skiing down in Salt Lake?

Jetlife

SLC is a fairly good base. That being said you will leave for the regionals in 6 months lol.

Don't listen to ANYONE who uses the phrase "home every night" at Ameriflight...

Jetlife

Well if the company was willing to treat pilots like human beings, they would probably stay. It isn't like they are taking that "valuable" Metro type and leaving for another Metro job. Smart pilots wise up quick and realize they were sold some white lies and the QOL isn't worth staying for. I mean you might be shocked, but nobody else is.