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Old 10-12-2008, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by belliott
I have never done any type of internship much less pay for any training beyond getting my basic ratings. I was a paid employee of Merlin Airways... I made more as an SIC than your PIC's make. I used to think like you and I am certain you will also change your way of thinking... the change will come with experience and time. My attitude is such that you are a professional pilot... you should be paid as such... you should be treated with more respect than a 7-eleven employee. My attitude is that the people and freight we fly deserve and expect an experienced professional pilot.
I can understand and relate to the fact that you chose not to instruct.... and I will not "slam" you for that because neither did I. But before you starting popping off about my experience and history maybe you should find out what my background is... I try to make myself available as a resource as I am sure the 50+ who have PM'ed me about flying in the caribbean can attest... but I find it disheartening that the new guys in aviation think that it is ok and just to pay for training.
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Old 10-12-2008, 08:09 PM
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Great.... you know how to use the search function.... now if you were to go to the second page you would see that the internship was for a private company based on the west coast.... as things turned out I did not take the internship and instead went to Puerto Rico...... anything else you want to tell me about my life???
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Old 10-12-2008, 09:05 PM
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Great.... you know how to use the search function.... now if you were to go to the second page you would see that the internship was for a private company based on the west coast.... as things turned out I did not take the internship and instead went to Puerto Rico...... anything else you want to tell me about my life???
Well just like you i make my judgment based on very little information I have. How do i know you didn't take the job? You could be lying just to prove a point...For all I care you undercut everybody with your internship. You sir don't deserve a job in aviation (see how not so smart i sound?). Listen to yourself the next time you write something like that dude.
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Old 10-13-2008, 03:03 AM
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Well just like you i make my judgment based on very little information I have. How do i know you didn't take the job? You could be lying just to prove a point...For all I care you undercut everybody with your internship. You sir don't deserve a job in aviation (see how not so smart i sound?). Listen to yourself the next time you write something like that dude.
Look it up..... Merlin Airways... based out of Aguadilla PR.... owned by Corporate Air (a FedEx feeder) headquatered in Missoula MT. Flew Metro's with the following tail #'s N768ML, N781ML, and N783ML.
I don't lie.... I don't need to....
I am done with this.
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Old 10-13-2008, 06:50 AM
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I try to make myself available as a resource as I am sure the 50+ who have PM'ed me about flying in the caribbean can attest...
Not when I PMed you....
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by dn_wisconsin
So you're rationalizing taking someone elses job because you can go snorkling. The two worst things you can do in this industry is 1. Be a scab and 2. Pay to fly. If you don't have the experience to get a paying job flying a turbine aircraft then go flight instruct, instead of doing anything to get in a turbine aircraft. Heres a question for you do you think you are more deserving of a turbine job than all the furloughes out there who have thousands more hours than you do? If you say no, then don't defend what you're doing. If you say yes, don't ever so up at an interview and tell everyone you paid to fly.
Excuse me? I didnt take anyone elses job. I am willing to pay 7,500 for training. If I did not take the job someone else would have. IBC does not hire FO's with thousands of hours. The main reason they told me is because if they hire someone with low time especially with the economy the way it is they can expect him to stay for quite awhile. If they hire someone with thousands of hours they will just leave as soon as they get something better.

Flight instructing is not for me, Im lucky enough to have some connections and was able to get this job. Some people are not as lucky. Are you really telling me that if someone offered you a job your gonna turn it down because you think that your low time makes you less deserving? I call bull****.

Mark Landolt is the VP of Operations. He is in charge of hiring there.
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:48 AM
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Paying for a sh**** job pleasesss no wonder this industry is so f```up
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by b18onboost
Also, i don't know how you would call paying 7500 PFJ. IBC Airways is a small company. It is possible that they don't have enough cash to actually send someone out for simulator training hence you have to pay the 7500 and sign the 2 years contract. It might not cost 7500 for the sim but hey it's part of doing business. They're not just going to do it for free. Why not make a few bucks off that. That's just the way it works. I would do the same thing to if I run a business like that. A lot of you might think that's wrong but put yourself in the business owner's shoes, you have bills to pay, a business to run, are you going to give things out for free while the guy next door is charging people for it?
How is paying $7500 for training not PFJ? They can't afford to train you without that $7500? Tough luck for them, you're not their bank (bolded for emphasis!). If they don't want to pony up the cash, well, then I suppose they'll have to park those planes until they come up with some money. If they can't survive by paying you during training then good ol' capitalism will take over and they'll close doors. Sucks for them!

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They're not just going to do it for free. Why not make a few bucks off that. That's just the way it works.
No, that's not how it works at all. I'm on my second airline, and both times they paid me during training. That's how it works if you value yourself as a professional instead of someone simply trying to fill up a logbook. Which one do you want to be?
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Old 10-13-2008, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by b18onboost
It is possible that they don't have enough cash to actually send someone out for simulator training hence you have to pay the 7500 and sign the 2 years contract. It might not cost 7500 for the sim but hey it's part of doing business. They're not just going to do it for free.
You should NEVER take a job where you have to pay ANYTHING. Isn't the point of a job to make money not spend money? That is just retarded.
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Old 10-13-2008, 11:39 AM
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I have 250 hours, no CFI's. I would spend about 5 grand getting my CFI's anyway. No other airline that I know of is hiring with 250TT.

I payed 2500 more for a stable job (IBC has never furloughed anyone), getting steady hours (Flight instructor hours and pay can be slow), and building turbine SIC time for now.

The definition of "scab" btw is someone who crosses a picketline, last time I checked IBC pilots were not on strike.

Im sorry that some people on here might think I am "stealing" someoe elses job but that is just not true. If I had not taken this job, some other low time pilot would have.
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