JSX's demise? Today, from ALPA...
06-26-2024, 07:12 AM
#51
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You are correcting nothing.
The relevant regulation is 14 CFR 121, under which JSX will soon be required to operate. There's nothing to mischaracterize. We all understand Part 121 quite well.
Soon, JSX will, too.
Or, JSX will be out of business.
Cuteness is irrelevant, as is the "way to run an airline." This isn't about running an airline. It's about the regulatory framework to which JSX, et al, shall be subject.
JSX has grown beyond the regulatory framework under which is has operated, and its legal responsibility under 14 CFR is shifting, accordingly. Simply because one begins as a part 135, or as a puppy, does not mean one remains so.
The relevant regulation is 14 CFR 121, under which JSX will soon be required to operate. There's nothing to mischaracterize. We all understand Part 121 quite well.
Soon, JSX will, too.
Or, JSX will be out of business.
Cuteness is irrelevant, as is the "way to run an airline." This isn't about running an airline. It's about the regulatory framework to which JSX, et al, shall be subject.
JSX has grown beyond the regulatory framework under which is has operated, and its legal responsibility under 14 CFR is shifting, accordingly. Simply because one begins as a part 135, or as a puppy, does not mean one remains so.
i do still agree puppies are cute...it's evident to anyone reading your posts that you've been thinking about it...go ahead, brother, pull the trigger and get one, your personality will improve and you will no longer have that anger consuming you...
06-26-2024, 10:41 AM
#52
Mmmm wine
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the FAA disagrees with what?
as I said, don't like the rule, change it - which is what the FAA is doing - as I wrote
if the FAA thought jsx was violating a rule, they'd file a regulatory action and start punching tickets
they, like others who've actually read the rules instead of blindly opining, understand there is a regulatory framework permitting jsx to do what it does and that does not define it as an operation subject to part 121
yes, regulations and the like are hard...
as I said, don't like the rule, change it - which is what the FAA is doing - as I wrote
if the FAA thought jsx was violating a rule, they'd file a regulatory action and start punching tickets
they, like others who've actually read the rules instead of blindly opining, understand there is a regulatory framework permitting jsx to do what it does and that does not define it as an operation subject to part 121
yes, regulations and the like are hard...
If anyone really can argue that JSX isn't a scheduled airline, I would LOVE to see them do it with a strait face.
06-26-2024, 10:48 AM
#53
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06-26-2024, 12:17 PM
#54
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06-26-2024, 12:36 PM
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as far as straight face how about the FAA itself? no argument needed, they are THE authority right? See below
https://viewfromthewing.com/quit-say...etter-product/
tldr quote:
"The FAA stated in its Notice of Proposed Rulemaking that the intent is to make clear that public charter operations are not considered scheduled operations and therefore would not be affected by the original Commuter Operations Rule."
hate on jsx all y'all want, but the whining about loopholes and such just make y'all look ignorant and uninformed
but keep the puppy stuff coming
06-27-2024, 04:48 AM
#57
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06-27-2024, 07:07 AM
#58
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I chose to ignore nothing. The upcoming change to be wrought upon JSX, et al, is not my doing nor my choice, nor shall I be the enforcer thereof. You can whine about it and complain about it as you will, but this makes no difference. The FAA has viewed JSX relative to its current regulation and determind that it has grown beyond the scope and intent of those regulations, and further, will move JSX toward a more appopriate regulatory framework under Part 121.
The puppy fit the little crate when it was small but has grown into a larger bed. Having made its new bed, it's time to laly down in it, or fail.
I'm quite aware of the regulation. It's existence is irrelevant, as JSX has grown beyond it. Should you disagree, and clearly you do, take it up with the FAA, not with me. In this case, I agree with the FAA, but it's the FAA that's updating the applicability of the regulatory framework. Not me.
If JSX wishes to stay in business, it can adapt.
The puppy fit the little crate when it was small but has grown into a larger bed. Having made its new bed, it's time to laly down in it, or fail.
I'm quite aware of the regulation. It's existence is irrelevant, as JSX has grown beyond it. Should you disagree, and clearly you do, take it up with the FAA, not with me. In this case, I agree with the FAA, but it's the FAA that's updating the applicability of the regulatory framework. Not me.
If JSX wishes to stay in business, it can adapt.
It's unfortunate that some people invested in growing a business based on that, and unfortunate that employees have invested time in longevity/seniority. Don't know how to address that.
But it's a clear violation of the safety *intent* to skirt the scheduled service definition based on who operates the website where you buy tickets for a published operating schedule. Otherwise the regionals could also operate under 135, since their schedules and tickets are handled by the major airlines, and they just fly the planes.
06-27-2024, 07:33 AM
#59
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Plain and simple, JSX worked the loopholes to create a premium product using competitive advantages that Part 121 Airlines cannot use due to the FAA. Then shouted at the top of their lungs how much better they were than everybody else through their advertisements and are now shocked they are finally being noticed. lol, what did they expect? Now they have to play by the rules as a scheduled airline. They are their own worst enemy.
06-27-2024, 03:55 PM
#60
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It's unfortunate that some people invested in growing a business based on that, and unfortunate that employees have invested time in longevity/seniority. Don't know how to address that.
But it's a clear violation of the safety *intent* to skirt the scheduled service definition based on who operates the website where you buy tickets for a published operating schedule. Otherwise the regionals could also operate under 135, since their schedules and tickets are handled by the major airlines, and they just fly the planes.
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