TLOU2

Per diem question.

Too many planes down for MX, the company is asking some pilots to stay home on call on their rotation days between 11 am to 9 pm every day, which means we are on duty and ready to go when called. We don't really have a base we all live in different states and the company buys us flight tickets to pick up the aircraft.

Not too long ago they decided that each pilot who stays home on duty like I've mentioned above, is not eligible for a per diem payment. No further explanation was provided

Legal or not legal?

I used to fly 121 in the past, being reserve (short call, 2 hours) was eligible for per diem although I think it was taxable per diem versus the non-taxable per diem on a regular 4-day for example.

skyking9

There is no legal requirement for the company to pay per diem.

captjns

Has your company issued you an Employee Handbook? Were you provided with a document laying out work rules?

tanker

The 121 that I worked for we didn't get per diem for being on Reserve in base, even when we didn't live in base. However I did get per diem when I overnighted in my commuter city, and I slept at home, because I wasn't in my base.

hgeonat

There's no per diem regulation. If you have a contract that says you get per diem when at home, then *maybe* illegal. I think most places aren't going to pay per diem when sitting at home.

JohnBurke

Even in government contract situations in which per diem is built into the contract, the company isn't obligated to give it to the employees; that's what the government gives the company. When not in such a contract, the company still has zero legal obligation to provide you with per diem. They should, but shoulda, coulda, woulda. When home...most operators don't pay pilots per diem. I don't know any home-base operators that pay perdiem while the employee is at home, regardless of whether the employee is on call.

If you are on call, it does not necessarily mean you are on duty. It does mean you're not at rest, if you have an obligation to act for the company; it does not mean that your duty has started. The FAA puts a fine point on this in numerous legal interpretations. Your limiting factor under 135 is the ability to look back and find rest; if you're not getting rest on call, while you're not on duty, you're still limited by what duty you can provide once you're called.

Regardless of on duty or on call, the company isn't required to provide you with perdiem: neither a given amount, nor perdiem at all.

If you have no union, then there's no legal duty to meet, that establisehs a perdiem requirement. If the company has provided an employee handbook, then the company is obliged, but not obligated, to adhere to their own policy. Remember, it's the company's policy, not yours, and the company may set what rules it wishes, so long as it's legal.

If you happen to have per diem spelled out in a FAA-approved document (eg, general operations manual), which would be rare, then in that case, the company would be obligated to adhere to the policies set forth in the manual, and has a legal duty to do so.

QRH Bingo

Care to share which company that was?

B727DRVR

Lou,

I’m a pretty pro-labor guy, but Per Diem is not intended to be paid when you are sitting on home standby. Per Diem is for expenses incurred while on the road..