Wheels Up Operators (Gama, DPJ, TMC)
12-14-2021, 08:44 AM
#611
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: Standing in front of the tank with a shopping bag
Posts: 926
How do the pay differences work?
Hey All,
Quick question.. Wheels Up recently acquired Mountain Aviation, who had significantly higher pay scales than the current WUP ones listed, i.e., a Mountain Aviation Citation X First Officer was making $80,0000/Yr +$10,000 for a 15/13 voluntary schedule. Their Captains were making 6 figures vs. the listed pay at WUP.. So I am sure that they didn’t cut the pay at Mountain to match the pay scale.. Did they just freeze it until they catch up with the WUP Payscale? Just wondering…
Quick question.. Wheels Up recently acquired Mountain Aviation, who had significantly higher pay scales than the current WUP ones listed, i.e., a Mountain Aviation Citation X First Officer was making $80,0000/Yr +$10,000 for a 15/13 voluntary schedule. Their Captains were making 6 figures vs. the listed pay at WUP.. So I am sure that they didn’t cut the pay at Mountain to match the pay scale.. Did they just freeze it until they catch up with the WUP Payscale? Just wondering…
12-14-2021, 10:12 AM
#612
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 466
Hey All,
Quick question.. Wheels Up recently acquired Mountain Aviation, who had significantly higher pay scales than the current WUP ones listed, i.e., a Mountain Aviation Citation X First Officer was making $80,0000/Yr +$10,000 for a 15/13 voluntary schedule. Their Captains were making 6 figures vs. the listed pay at WUP.. So I am sure that they didn’t cut the pay at Mountain to match the pay scale.. Did they just freeze it until they catch up with the WUP Payscale? Just wondering…
Quick question.. Wheels Up recently acquired Mountain Aviation, who had significantly higher pay scales than the current WUP ones listed, i.e., a Mountain Aviation Citation X First Officer was making $80,0000/Yr +$10,000 for a 15/13 voluntary schedule. Their Captains were making 6 figures vs. the listed pay at WUP.. So I am sure that they didn’t cut the pay at Mountain to match the pay scale.. Did they just freeze it until they catch up with the WUP Payscale? Just wondering…
At least that’s how I understand it. If anyone on the Mountain side has a different explanation, I welcome it.
12-14-2021, 02:44 PM
#613
New Hire
Joined APC: Dec 2021
Posts: 2
.50 someone redlining those ITT huh lol. Well get you there slow and steady.
12-15-2021, 05:00 AM
#614
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
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Posts: 926
Sweet!
No one got a cut, because they transitioned to a scale based on “STEPS” not years. Everyone transitioned to the “step” corresponding to the next higher salary for their equipment and seat. Meaning at six year Super-mid Captain transitioned to Step 3 for nice raise.
At least that’s how I understand it. If anyone on the Mountain side has a different explanation, I welcome it.
At least that’s how I understand it. If anyone on the Mountain side has a different explanation, I welcome it.
Also, are there fences for people who want to stay on the aircraft that they are currently flying, like King Air pilots who want to stay on that platform? And how hard is it to bid between fleets?
12-15-2021, 06:52 PM
#615
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Posts: 466
No fences that I know of. If you want to stay on the aircraft you are assigned, you can’t be bumped. Transitioning to other aircraft isn’t hard either. They announce the need, and you bid. If you have the seniority, and no problems in your past within the company, you’ll get it.
12-17-2021, 02:27 PM
#616
On Reserve
Joined APC: Nov 2021
Posts: 15
Hello everyone I’m an RJ guy. But my new brother in law is just over 1800 TT and he’s torn right now between going the regional route and the 135 route with wheels up.
I’ve told him about the pros and cons of the airline life. He’s not a big fan of reserve nor the mighty pay cut from his current gig. But doesn’t mind the benefits.
His eventual goal is a legacy or cargo. But if he likes the lifestyle he’s also considering the fractionals.
I honestly don’t know much about the 135 world as I went cfi to RJ and haven’t looked back so would definitely appreciate some info I can give him about the pros and cons of both and what might be the fastest route to his end goal since he is 37. He does like the schedule a little better and the pay at wheels but likes the fast upgrades right now in the 121 world.
Thank you everyone we appreciate the help.
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I’ve told him about the pros and cons of the airline life. He’s not a big fan of reserve nor the mighty pay cut from his current gig. But doesn’t mind the benefits.
His eventual goal is a legacy or cargo. But if he likes the lifestyle he’s also considering the fractionals.
I honestly don’t know much about the 135 world as I went cfi to RJ and haven’t looked back so would definitely appreciate some info I can give him about the pros and cons of both and what might be the fastest route to his end goal since he is 37. He does like the schedule a little better and the pay at wheels but likes the fast upgrades right now in the 121 world.
Thank you everyone we appreciate the help.
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12-18-2021, 07:56 AM
#617
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Joined APC: Oct 2018
Posts: 99
Hello everyone I’m an RJ guy. But my new brother in law is just over 1800 TT and he’s torn right now between going the regional route and the 135 route with wheels up.
I’ve told him about the pros and cons of the airline life. He’s not a big fan of reserve nor the mighty pay cut from his current gig. But doesn’t mind the benefits.
His eventual goal is a legacy or cargo. But if he likes the lifestyle he’s also considering the fractionals.
I honestly don’t know much about the 135 world as I went cfi to RJ and haven’t looked back so would definitely appreciate some info I can give him about the pros and cons of both and what might be the fastest route to his end goal since he is 37. He does like the schedule a little better and the pay at wheels but likes the fast upgrades right now in the 121 world.
Thank you everyone we appreciate the help.
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I’ve told him about the pros and cons of the airline life. He’s not a big fan of reserve nor the mighty pay cut from his current gig. But doesn’t mind the benefits.
His eventual goal is a legacy or cargo. But if he likes the lifestyle he’s also considering the fractionals.
I honestly don’t know much about the 135 world as I went cfi to RJ and haven’t looked back so would definitely appreciate some info I can give him about the pros and cons of both and what might be the fastest route to his end goal since he is 37. He does like the schedule a little better and the pay at wheels but likes the fast upgrades right now in the 121 world.
Thank you everyone we appreciate the help.
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As someone who has done both, to me it would be a no brainer to go to WUP vs slugging it out at the regionals for an unknown number of years. We have plenty of guys who leave WUP for the majors as wel
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12-19-2021, 07:02 PM
#618
On Reserve
Joined APC: Nov 2021
Posts: 15
Hey [MENTION=83921]Tankerds[/MENTION] appreciate the reply. What kind of movement are you seeing at WUP? At least at my regional, captains are moving on in 4 years right now sometimes less if they have the right connections. If it’s similar times I would definitely agree WUP would be a good choice!
12-29-2021, 09:56 AM
#619
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Hey [MENTION=83921]Tankerds[/MENTION] appreciate the reply. What kind of movement are you seeing at WUP? At least at my regional, captains are moving on in 4 years right now sometimes less if they have the right connections. If it’s similar times I would definitely agree WUP would be a good choice!
Guys can move on at any point, they generally have a lot more experience then you’d find with your typical regional captain (i.e multiple types, previous turbine time etc), a lot of guys stay and stay on the king air or move to one of the jets. The guys who are leaving are all moving up to bigger carriers, no lateral moves. It’s hard work tho, but great QOL. Not for everyone.
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