Wheels Up Operators (Gama, DPJ, TMC)
06-29-2021, 12:09 PM
#531
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 64
The fatigue policy is, if you feel fatigued call off. Unless you do it frequently, or don’t have a valid reason, you’ll never hear anything from it. There isn’t even any extra paperwork, although it would benefit everyone if an occurrence report was submitted explaining the circumstances. Especially if it was operationally caused, I.e. multiple 14 hr days with 10 hr overnights.
I’ve never heard of anyone submitting any kind of suggestion for some sort of “work rules” policy, which is what you are looking for. As the old saying goes, ‘how do you know until you try.’ As people leave, and they are leaving, things may change. But it sure as hell isn’t going to change if the deficiencies aren’t brought to management’s attention. Until then, they are going to run the schedule as tight as possible until you cry “mercy” (call fatigued”).
I know it’s not all sunshine and roses here, but it could be a hell of a lot worse. If you have a suggestion for a feasible change for the better bring it up. If it doesn’t change, or you don’t want to make a suggestion, there’s lots of hiring spooling up.
I’ve never heard of anyone submitting any kind of suggestion for some sort of “work rules” policy, which is what you are looking for. As the old saying goes, ‘how do you know until you try.’ As people leave, and they are leaving, things may change. But it sure as hell isn’t going to change if the deficiencies aren’t brought to management’s attention. Until then, they are going to run the schedule as tight as possible until you cry “mercy” (call fatigued”).
I know it’s not all sunshine and roses here, but it could be a hell of a lot worse. If you have a suggestion for a feasible change for the better bring it up. If it doesn’t change, or you don’t want to make a suggestion, there’s lots of hiring spooling up.
06-29-2021, 03:11 PM
#532
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 466
I’m all for making things better and I will support almost any attempt. But complaining on a public forum about improvements that need to be made, instead of going to the people who ACTUALLY can do something about it, doesn’t make any sense.
If anyone has any feasible work rules suggestions they would like to see submitted. Feel free to PM me and I’ll submit them. Until then, this forum is not the place to air your gripes.
If anyone has any feasible work rules suggestions they would like to see submitted. Feel free to PM me and I’ll submit them. Until then, this forum is not the place to air your gripes.
06-29-2021, 04:42 PM
#533
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Begging for a crew meal
Posts: 234
I’m all for making things better and I will support almost any attempt. But complaining on a public forum about improvements that need to be made, instead of going to the people who ACTUALLY can do something about it, doesn’t make any sense.
If anyone has any feasible work rules suggestions they would like to see submitted. Feel free to PM me and I’ll submit them. Until then, this forum is not the place to air your gripes.
If anyone has any feasible work rules suggestions they would like to see submitted. Feel free to PM me and I’ll submit them. Until then, this forum is not the place to air your gripes.
This entire website is designed so people can get the real skinny. Not just “gripes”. And not the watered down info from a recruiter or the company website. I’ll state both the positive and negative. Right now, unfortunately, the negative has taken a pretty good hold on morale here. Trust me. No one wants this to be a great career stop than me.
Now lets get back to the truly important discussions of how great the King Air is and why I prefer the Fusion over the Proline. I’m out. I need a beer.
06-29-2021, 05:32 PM
#534
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 64
I’m all for making things better and I will support almost any attempt. But complaining on a public forum about improvements that need to be made, instead of going to the people who ACTUALLY can do something about it, doesn’t make any sense.
If anyone has any feasible work rules suggestions they would like to see submitted. Feel free to PM me and I’ll submit them. Until then, this forum is not the place to air your gripes.
If anyone has any feasible work rules suggestions they would like to see submitted. Feel free to PM me and I’ll submit them. Until then, this forum is not the place to air your gripes.
06-29-2021, 05:58 PM
#535
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 466
I am not trying to be difficult. I’m truly looking for suggestions to submit on behalf of the pilot group. I don’t know how trying to help get things changed makes me part of the problem.
As I’ve said, if you truly want something fixed, you have to attempt to fix it. All I do is go to work, get my job done to the best of my ability with what I’m given, and try to have fun while doing it.
So what have I said that was a lie, or makes me part of the problem? If it was about not airing your gripes, I stand by my opinion, but can’t stop you.
As I’ve said, if you truly want something fixed, you have to attempt to fix it. All I do is go to work, get my job done to the best of my ability with what I’m given, and try to have fun while doing it.
So what have I said that was a lie, or makes me part of the problem? If it was about not airing your gripes, I stand by my opinion, but can’t stop you.
07-02-2021, 06:42 AM
#536
On Reserve
Joined APC: Mar 2021
Posts: 11
I am not trying to be difficult. I’m truly looking for suggestions to submit on behalf of the pilot group. I don’t know how trying to help get things changed makes me part of the problem.
As I’ve said, if you truly want something fixed, you have to attempt to fix it. All I do is go to work, get my job done to the best of my ability with what I’m given, and try to have fun while doing it.
So what have I said that was a lie, or makes me part of the problem? If it was about not airing your gripes, I stand by my opinion, but can’t stop you.
As I’ve said, if you truly want something fixed, you have to attempt to fix it. All I do is go to work, get my job done to the best of my ability with what I’m given, and try to have fun while doing it.
So what have I said that was a lie, or makes me part of the problem? If it was about not airing your gripes, I stand by my opinion, but can’t stop you.
07-11-2021, 08:53 PM
#537
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2018
Posts: 99
I am not trying to be difficult. I’m truly looking for suggestions to submit on behalf of the pilot group. I don’t know how trying to help get things changed makes me part of the problem.
As I’ve said, if you truly want something fixed, you have to attempt to fix it. All I do is go to work, get my job done to the best of my ability with what I’m given, and try to have fun while doing it.
So what have I said that was a lie, or makes me part of the problem? If it was about not airing your gripes, I stand by my opinion, but can’t stop you.
As I’ve said, if you truly want something fixed, you have to attempt to fix it. All I do is go to work, get my job done to the best of my ability with what I’m given, and try to have fun while doing it.
So what have I said that was a lie, or makes me part of the problem? If it was about not airing your gripes, I stand by my opinion, but can’t stop you.
Your logic went awry as soon as you tried dictating which things can be spoken about on a public forum. If the conversation doesn’t interest to you, scroll on or post about something else. It’s important for potential new hires to see both the good and the bad of the company.
07-20-2021, 06:07 AM
#539
On Reserve
Joined APC: May 2021
Posts: 13
Electronics in wing locker
So I got a Luggage Works 22" bag that (I'm told) will fit in the wing locker. Lots of fancy pockets on it, but that got me to wondering whether or not anyone can confirm/deny if your electronics are safe in the locker--any issues with your laptops, iPads, etc. due to the temperatures? I'm told that there is very little room for a backpack/personal bag in the aircraft for the crew so looking for any gouge here. Many thanks.
Roach
Roach
07-20-2021, 08:39 AM
#540
"Yinzer an'at"
Joined APC: Jun 2012
Position: Sittin at the puter
Posts: 186
The 22 Luggage works will fit but it requires some artful articulation. The wing lockers are not as big as they seem. There is an oil kit box and all the engine covers, prop-exhaust covers and pitot covers. We kept several long umbrellas in the right wing locker, plus the right engine covers. Then goes your bag, then goes extra stock, liquor, cups, napkins and other stuff. The 22 inch Luggage works has to be put in the exact center and it needs to be pushed up under the lip of the forward cover in order to be able to get the cover closed. It will take you a while to be able to do it quickly but it does work. When you are finished there isn't enough room left for much of anything in either wing locker. The wing lockers are not from Beechcraft they are an STC. They work well but don't have as much room as you think and you need to make sure the latches make properly.
Your electronics will be fine. Watch out for shaving cream and other liquids in your shaving kit. Keep those in a plastic bag. The airplane will cruise in the low 30's on longer legs and it gets cold up there.
Your electronics will be fine. Watch out for shaving cream and other liquids in your shaving kit. Keep those in a plastic bag. The airplane will cruise in the low 30's on longer legs and it gets cold up there.
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