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02-09-2014, 07:23 PM
#5381
Thuggin it out
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: Rollin' Down tha 405
Posts: 2,571
Your not rambling. I hope your right.
It's probably safe to say though that at a minimum, any Captain not on reserve is likely going to vote in favor of any change that enriches their personal standing-- unless of course they are not short sighted individuals who can see the bigger picture.
It's probably safe to say though that at a minimum, any Captain not on reserve is likely going to vote in favor of any change that enriches their personal standing-- unless of course they are not short sighted individuals who can see the bigger picture.
If it passes it passes. It'll be sad to leave Silver but that's what some of us will have to do to maintain our sanity and QOL.
02-09-2014, 07:28 PM
#5382
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 3,014
Thats the hope! All we can do right now is educate other pilots on the pros and cons. The union is going to try and sell this LOA because that's their job, that's what they are paid for. We as mature adults have to weigh the pros and cons then vote, that's our job. If FL based captains/FOs vote yes because they want 6K in 12 months and never think they'll be on reserve that's their perogative.
If it passes it passes. It'll be sad to leave Silver but that's what some of us will have to do to maintain our sanity and QOL.
If it passes it passes. It'll be sad to leave Silver but that's what some of us will have to do to maintain our sanity and QOL.
Some pilots are going to say "hey, were getting 9 out of 10 things we want. No contract is perfect so I guess we'll take it." But the problem is it will replicate like a virus throughout the industry.
02-09-2014, 07:32 PM
#5383
Thuggin it out
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: Rollin' Down tha 405
Posts: 2,571
You might remind as many people as you can that the intention of this is that it serves as a model for the rest of the industry according to Captain Daniel Wells. Don't want that either.
Some pilots are going to say "hey, were getting 9 out of 10 things we want. No contract is perfect so I guess we'll take it." But the problem is it will replicate like a virus throughout the industry.
Some pilots are going to say "hey, were getting 9 out of 10 things we want. No contract is perfect so I guess we'll take it." But the problem is it will replicate like a virus throughout the industry.
"Reference: PSA"
The virus has already found a host.
02-09-2014, 07:39 PM
#5384
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2007
Position: 320 Captain
Posts: 335
can you give us some details regarding pay, benefits, etc., for those of us on the outside? Curious as to what 1224 negotiated as I'm a member and can't find anything on the website
Thanks in Advance.
Thanks in Advance.
02-09-2014, 08:28 PM
#5385
Respek
Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 2,659
The majority of the pilot group currently at Silver chose to participate in the PFT program when Gulfstream was still around..... Their mindsets on what's good or bad for them will be way different than someone who chose not to drop tens of thousands of dollars to jump right into the airlines.
02-09-2014, 08:38 PM
#5386
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 787
The problem isn't the LOA or the union...it's the 51% of the pilot group that's dumb enough to believe whatever BS the union feeds them to get them to vote it through. Because let's face it, a good part of the seniority list will either have trouble getting/don't want jobs at other carriers, so they'll do whatever it takes to make sure they still have a job. A lot of the senior guys are b*tching and moaning because they will no longer be able to rape the company of money when they duty out at 12:01 and get an extra six hours of pay, or they refuse to do a sim session at 3am... Meanwhile guys up north just want to be able to go see their families every 4 or 5 days, not once a month.... Silver-stream for the win.
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02-09-2014, 08:49 PM
#5387
Respek
Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 2,659
The problem isn't the LOA or the union...it's the 51% of the pilot group that's dumb enough to believe whatever BS the union feeds them to get them to vote it through. Because let's face it, a good part of the seniority list will either have trouble getting/don't want jobs at other carriers, so they'll do whatever it takes to make sure they still have a job. A lot of the senior guys are b*tching and moaning because they will no longer be able to rape the company of money when they duty out at 12:01 and get an extra six hours of pay, or they refuse to do a sim session at 3am... Meanwhile guys up north just want to be able to go see their families every 4 or 5 days, not once a month.... Silver-stream for the win.
02-09-2014, 09:32 PM
#5389
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 268
Well to be honest that's why it has to be put to a vote. They think it's a good contract, and I don't fault them for thinking that since it took effort to get what they got, but it's not a good contract for me...this is why I'm going to tell them no (via a no vote). I'm not going to crucify the poor guy(s) because this LOA stinks (IMHO), just going to play the game.
Remember, the we are the union and as has been beaten to death multiple times... Teamsters is from the bottom up.
Personally, I'm concerned that they would offer up something so major in terms of QoL for those of us who either commute or have families without consulting the pilot group as a who (survey anyone?).
02-09-2014, 10:17 PM
#5390
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: Gear Handle supervisor
Posts: 1,035
The majority of the pilot group currently at Silver chose to participate in the PFT program when Gulfstream was still around..... Their mindsets on what's good or bad for them will be way different than someone who chose not to drop tens of thousands of dollars to jump right into the airlines.
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