Silver Airways
11-12-2013, 03:38 PM
#4771
I'm a man of my word.
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: Devil's Advocate
Posts: 2,883
I was slightly surprised to see they are closing DUJ as a base considering their previous announcement.
Last edited by CaptainCarl; 11-12-2013 at 03:49 PM.
11-12-2013, 05:08 PM
#4772
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: SF-340 FO
Posts: 31
Nice. Jan. 1. Guess all those outstation peeps can opt out of their monthly leases and move by the end of next month. Carl ... You were right on with this one. I will tune in for your inside info from now on.
11-12-2013, 05:23 PM
#4773
Respek
Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 2,659
Very happy to see you guys get back into some normal towns. I bet if I had a crystal ball back when I decided to leave that I prolly would have stayed. Only question I have is this going to allow ppl to bid between IAD and ATL now? Or do you have to go back to your respective hub like MEI-ATL?
11-12-2013, 06:27 PM
#4774
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2012
Position: E-175 CA
Posts: 339
I would imagine there will still be some crossover on trips between systems (ATL crews doing flights in the IAD system through LWB, or vice-versa) like we are doing currently, but I don't see ATL crews being allowed to bid for lines in IAD. Open time pickup definitely, but that's about it.
With the way the CBA lays out Staffing Bid procedure, this will most likely result in the downgrading of many junior CAs in favor of senior FOs getting upgrades. Don't count on using displacement rights to hold your seat, they are only as good as your seniority. I wouldn't doubt that many DECs will likely quit rather than accept demotion. This could get messy. I had a feeling a few months back when they did the SB in July that the reason they were waiting to move people was that this one was coming. No point in paying moving expenses when they were just going to do a major reshuffle a few months down the road.
With the way the CBA lays out Staffing Bid procedure, this will most likely result in the downgrading of many junior CAs in favor of senior FOs getting upgrades. Don't count on using displacement rights to hold your seat, they are only as good as your seniority. I wouldn't doubt that many DECs will likely quit rather than accept demotion. This could get messy. I had a feeling a few months back when they did the SB in July that the reason they were waiting to move people was that this one was coming. No point in paying moving expenses when they were just going to do a major reshuffle a few months down the road.
11-12-2013, 07:27 PM
#4776
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: Gear Handle supervisor
Posts: 1,035
Obviously the logistics of this also be complicated from moving bases and holding people back before seat changes and or equipment changes. Just have to hope for the best.
11-13-2013, 06:41 AM
#4777
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Lovin' life at .4 (ish) mach
Posts: 1,317
Now I'm questioning leaving, since upgrade (potentially) is close, but given the past history of how things are done, I don't think I have anything to lose if I still leave. If they would've down graded off the street guys, and upgraded F/Os (in seniority) 1:1 from the beginning, I think we would've seen less attrition.
11-14-2013, 05:31 PM
#4779
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2012
Position: I'm Buying
Posts: 416
With the way the CBA lays out Staffing Bid procedure, this will most likely result in the downgrading of many junior CAs in favor of senior FOs getting upgrades. Don't count on using displacement rights to hold your seat, they are only as good as your seniority. I wouldn't doubt that many DECs will likely quit rather than accept demotion. This could get messy. I had a feeling a few months back when they did the SB in July that the reason they were waiting to move people was that this one was coming. No point in paying moving expenses when they were just going to do a major reshuffle a few months down the road.
11-15-2013, 10:05 AM
#4780
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 199
You seem to forget they have 12 months to implement the staffing bid. I don't think any DEC's will actually see the right seat, possible but doubt it. I believe DP is pretty smart and will keep his DEC's and award some upgrades to give hope and fill a few CA slots. Then when Silver starts growing again they will upgrade as appropriate and the seniority list will work itself out over the next 12 months or so.
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