CaptainCarl

ygbsm. smh.

flightmedic01

I can't imagine Silver ever putting those on the 1900. The equipment is probably worth more than the airframe!

What

So how do you guys deice up north? If it's the same place where you boarded then you will not get paid until you do all the above and de-ice. Well Gentlemen this is a simple situation, when your airline departure times plummet because of this you will likely see a software change, it's on your hands to ensure the airplane is safe to fly.

Fly safe, the money will take care of itself. Don't try to rush to get on the clock!

I am not saying that you need to slow the flight down, just do what your manual says. I have never heard on anyone being fired or violated because they followed their procedures and the flight was late. But I have heard of guys getting fired for playing the system to get on the clock or violated because they missed something critical.

Bassman1985

Sounds like some guys need to read the Ops Bulletins. If the TAMDAR times are incorrect (i.e. we were ready to roll from the gate w/parking brake released, but were unable to pushback/turn out due to ramp traffic) we state the actual time we were ready to roll out when we call passing through 3000' on departure. Same for de-icing ops up north if they are done at the gate. OOOI times should be measured the same as they were before the TAMDAR was in use. If the TAMDAR was wrong on your out time, say so.

Mountains out of molehills, guys. But hey, this is APC...I shouldn't be surprised.

tom11011

Some airlines pay crews based on when the door closes. This is probably the best way since the captain assumes full responsibility at this point. Up until that point, the gate agent typically owns the airplane.

sandrich

Most outstations de-ice you right there before you start to move, others bring you to a remote pad, like in IAD.

Like Bassman so eloquently said, TAMDAR times aren't set in stone.... you're suppose to call OO times anyway to "verify" the times... If you were ready to go at 6:30, but didn't move your 10 feet until 6:50 due to de-ice, just tell the station the corrected time... Silver Airways- Doesn't matter what it is, today is the first day we've ever done it.

sandrich

Ok, I know everyone's up in arms with this ATP-Seminole thing. I did some research:
-As of Aug 1, 2013, everyone needs an ATP (duh, we all know that)
-Silver plans on getting all FOs their ATP in a Seminole at ATP locations (I know many dont care for this, but it is what it is, I honestly couldn't care)
-NPRM proposes all SICs to have an ATP with appropriate type rating
-The NPRM also reads "Requiring an SIC to train to the level of proficiency necessary to obtain a type rating would ensure the SIC has been evaluated to the same standard as the PIC"
-In April, the DOT released a NPRM publish date of 7/26/2013
-The NPRM just left the Office of the Secretary and is now in the Office of Management and Budget (they have 90 days to review and submit a final rule, pushing back the publish date to 7/31/2013...the day before the ATP rule takes effect)
-It seems that although many are strongly against the NPRM, it will in fact get approved, and an ATP and full type rating could be required...

I guess the elephant in the room here is-- will our worthless SIC type ratings suffice to what the FAA calls an "appropriate type rating"? If not, this Seminole thing is a complete waste.

Salukipilot4590

1) I think you guys are truly missing the significance of using TAMDAR for our times... I won't go into specifics here but it's not really our pay that we should be worried about.

2) The ATP thing might MIGHT be only a few guys once the company realizes how much money they're going to be spending sending you all to ATP. I'm going to put a couple dimes down that they either change their minds beforehand or within the first couple groups of guys going to ATP.

3) Toasters are hot

4) I didn't even know capital one bank had this many branches here in DC

5) Corona light tastes terrible

6) What's the story on the Q400s?

What

Not all airlines follow this guidance, go read NTSB 830 and FAR 121 to see what they define as responsibility. Remember all company manuals are written as to follow FARs but if an FAR is restrictive then that overrules the company manual. I am sure you know this but I am just putting it down to help spread the knowledge for the new guys just getting into the industry.

What

Remember that this is a Notice of Proposed Rule making, that we are 10 weeks away and we still don't have actual guidance, neither do the airlines. They will issue the guidance but the airlines are likely to get a grace period since most airlines are not offering an Unrestricted Type rating and enforcing this proposed rule would cripple the feed.

That's if they don't blame it on not having the staffing due to sequester, budget restrains.