Silver Airways
05-02-2013, 04:40 PM
#2821
I'm a man of my word.
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: Devil's Advocate
Posts: 2,883
Oh lighten up, Francis. Geez, we're just bustin' your chops. I'm curious as to how anyone thinks the company might "force" anyone to take an ATP checkride in anything other than the aircraft they are currently employed to fly. I suppose it could be done, but that's a lot of risk on the part of the applicant.
05-02-2013, 04:48 PM
#2822
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: SF34 FO
Posts: 117
Oh lighten up, Francis. Geez, we're just bustin' your chops. I'm curious as to how anyone thinks the company might "force" anyone to take an ATP checkride in anything other than the aircraft they are currently employed to fly. I suppose it could be done, but that's a lot of risk on the part of the applicant.
05-02-2013, 04:53 PM
#2823
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2013
Position: CA
Posts: 176
Seriously? I think you know the answer to that question. It's just to check a box for the FAA. These FO's aren't really going to act as PIC after their ATP ride.
05-02-2013, 06:34 PM
#2825
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: SF-340 FO
Posts: 31
We all know the company is going to take the cheapest route. The key is how many f/o 's still have to get this done. If there is a huge number say 1/3 then they could make a stand and refuse to do it. They can/will not fire all of them. The problem is they let this drag on without addressing it. It will not matter in a couple of months.
05-03-2013, 09:01 AM
#2830
What’s it doing now?
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 190CA
Posts: 726
Txflyer:
Did someone in mgmt actually tell you that's what is going to happen or is this just the ridiculous silver rumor mill? Even if someone in the union leadership said it, it is still just hearsay or likely something that was just talked about as a backup option. I believe the problem stems from the fact that the company does not have a Saab upgrade program. They only have an initial training program approved by the FAA. Thus anyone getting their ATP and pic type in the plane (which I believe is the FAA requirement) has to do the WHOLE training program over again. Some articles I have read mentioned that the FAA is working with airlines to approve doing the ATP and type during a regular recurrent training. I don't know the specifics of this, perhaps there is a hang up in getting that approved for us. I'm sure that the company is trying to get something approved, as sending almost all of our FOs to msp for two months before August would cause this place to shut down. I hope that they do the right thing for the pilots and the company but just make sure you are studying NOW. And ATP and type are hard no matter what aircraft, especially for those that are just crossing ATP mins with only a few hundred hours in type.
To the person that said fairmont was "our 3407":
Are you kidding me? The fallout from buffalo changed the whole industry, and more specifically the way colgan and pinnacle's training and safety department operated. There was ZERO effort on the part of silver to educate the pilot group on why fairmont happened and what we should be doing different to prevent a repeat. All they did was fire one crew member and sweep it under the rug.
Did someone in mgmt actually tell you that's what is going to happen or is this just the ridiculous silver rumor mill? Even if someone in the union leadership said it, it is still just hearsay or likely something that was just talked about as a backup option. I believe the problem stems from the fact that the company does not have a Saab upgrade program. They only have an initial training program approved by the FAA. Thus anyone getting their ATP and pic type in the plane (which I believe is the FAA requirement) has to do the WHOLE training program over again. Some articles I have read mentioned that the FAA is working with airlines to approve doing the ATP and type during a regular recurrent training. I don't know the specifics of this, perhaps there is a hang up in getting that approved for us. I'm sure that the company is trying to get something approved, as sending almost all of our FOs to msp for two months before August would cause this place to shut down. I hope that they do the right thing for the pilots and the company but just make sure you are studying NOW. And ATP and type are hard no matter what aircraft, especially for those that are just crossing ATP mins with only a few hundred hours in type.
To the person that said fairmont was "our 3407":
Are you kidding me? The fallout from buffalo changed the whole industry, and more specifically the way colgan and pinnacle's training and safety department operated. There was ZERO effort on the part of silver to educate the pilot group on why fairmont happened and what we should be doing different to prevent a repeat. All they did was fire one crew member and sweep it under the rug.
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