SnoJet440

Here's too you CaptainCarl, I have been a troll for some time but always enjoyed your sense of humor. You make me laugh. Thank you.

Bassman1985

If you are on property, with the hours and seniority to upgrade, and they upgrade someone junior to you, you get paid CA pay for the best line you could have held had they promoted you in seniority. This only applies if you have met the upgrade requirements and have put in your paperwork to request upgrade and they jump you afterwards. Ergo, if they do any more DECs, every qualified FO senior to them who has requested that slot gets bypass pay. Those of us who now qualify for upgrade, but didn't when the last batch of DECs were hired, don't get bypass pay.

Not sure how it works with displacement, but I've heard that they will not demote the DECs already here so the senior pilots can upgrade sooner. The contract actually seems quite vague on that point. I'll be sure to pay close attention during the next union conference call. I asked about upgrade classes 2 weeks ago and the union had not been told about any plans to run one.

Flitestar

So the company could then set the required min time to upgrade wherever they want whenever they want?

Cruz5350

Whatever insurance dictates I'd say yeah sure. Why pay a premium for some 1500hr guy if you don't have too? Call me crazy but I wouldn't be surprised if more DEC are hired.

200Driver

Also written in with the new ATP rule for FO's comes a 1000TT 121 requirement for captain upgrade. This will affect some people here as well even if the company upgrade min's don't change.

I have talked with several FO's who didn't realize the 121 requirement had been included in the new law.

v1valarob

Does the Silver contract set minimums? I know our contract at Pinnacle has 2500hours tt as a minimum to upgrade.

Bassman1985

None that I've seen. I don't think the FOM does, either. If there are minimums, they are the same as those required to get an ATP at present. I've not been told anything to indicate otherwise.

gfrede1

CaptainCarl, which agent. Where did they hear this? I've been hearing that we wanted to start service to PIT, but that was the extent of the info.

CaptainCarl

Not sure, it wasn't me who heard it. I'll ask around and see what I can find out.

joethepilot

According to Ed they are currently "investigating if it would be cost efficient" to go away from outstation basing. He said that if it is they will do it, if not they won't.