sandrich

We get paid hourly for block time. Which for us is usually when #1 comes on line, some us door close, or break release. We don't have ACARS so we can pretty much call it how we want. You can make money in two ways on a single flight. You make your block time (out to in time) then the green incentive (off to on time). The idea behind the green incentive is to minimize the amount of time the aircrafts in the air. Someone mentioned safety issues with this, but in my opinion its not an issue. All checklists and procedures are followed, we simply take advantage of the manueverability and capabilities of the 1900 (land on shorter runways for example) Not sure if that clears it up, but it tried ;-)

USMCFLYR

Somewhat except for you day that you can pretty call it what you want but Cruz says that you use the GPS time. Reading above your explanation of 'green time' makes it sound as if that is a separate time based on when you lift off to the time you land (this being based off the GPS), and your block time seems to be based off of either starting number one, closing the hatch, or brake release, which I would be surprised if a company was not more black and white about when a time started that involved payment.

Under contract I was paid takeoff to landing by flight hour. Now I log movement time (sort of like brake release to brake set), but I'm salary so the actual time doesn't really matter. It sounds like there are a bunch of variables!

USMCFLYR

What

Southwest operates similar in the fact they taxi fast, look to get airborne as soon as possible and ask for every possible shortcut and land at the runway that minimizes time.

sandrich

Exactly. We use our block time to get our pay. We use GPS time for green incentive. GPS time starts as you pass through 30 knots and ends as you slow down to 30 knots (ie on a fast turnoff, you can still see the GPS clock ticking). Consider this example:
Flight from FLL-EYW Scheduled to leave at 1200 and get in at 1300, blocked at 1 hour (out to in). You leave at 1200 (out) takeoff at 1210 (off) land at 1245 (on) and pull into the gate at 1250 (in). Because of the block-or-better, you still make 1 hour of pay, even though you blocked at 0:50. As for green incentive, you would make whatever the system says the flight time SHOULD take (lets say 45 minutes) minus what you actually flew (35 minutes). Your total payoff for that trip would be (hourly rate X 1 hour) + ($1.75 X 10 minutes saved). If, for some delay, you OVERblocked, you would make what you actually blocked, but no green incentive because the flight took longer than normal. In short, you get paid extra if you under fly, and block more if you over fly. Confusing as hell, i know...

sandrich

Yup. Unfortunately everyone is here to build time. So what helps the paycheck also hurts the logbook (asking for direct, different runways, 248 to the marker)

rightseater

Per the OM-1 you should call your out time just prior to break release.

Green Incentive pay is based only on Flight time. Off to ON. You could over block a flight and still get green incentive pay. For example. FLL-EYW. 45 minutes of scheduled block, 35 minutes of flight time. Say you block out at 1200, and end up number 20 in line for runway 9L. You don't actually take off until 12:45, land in EYW at 13:10, block in at 13:15. Your block would be 1:15, but you would still on top of that get 15 x $1.75 for GI pay because the flight time was less than scheduled. Total pay would be 1:15x your hourly rate, PLUS 15 x $1.75 ($26.25)...This is an extreme example, just to try and help understanding of the program.

So some of you should be seeing a problem here...if we always complete the flights in less time than normal by flying faster, won't the company just reduce the times since they are based on historical data...Luckily the Green Incentive Program prohibits the company from reducing the times.

sandrich

Thank god for that. Kind of sucks that theres no GI in Montana though. The guys in Florida are able to make lots from it. Base hourly pay is only about 60% of their paycheck when you factor in per diem and GI.

twebb

How much is medical and dental insurance per month for a single person? And what is the deductible?

Systemized

Is this because the Montana flying is all EAS and all the other silver flying is non-EAS?

sinsilvia666

30kts is seriously when the time starts for block?!