Class drops?
07-16-2024, 03:06 PM
#41
Speed, Power, Accuracy
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: PIC
Posts: 1,723
Everything you said was true except for this. There is no additional time added when you upgrade if it occurs in your first seat lock, regardless of if it was in-fleet or not, since the initial equipment lock is under 15.4(A) and the section you're quoting from is 15.4(B). It's in the interpretive transcripts for Section 15. If you upgrade in your first 39 months at NetJets you'll have a fresh new 39 month lock starting from the date of the award unless it was in-fleet. I got my upgrade award out-of-fleet in April 2024, hired March 2022, my seatlock is up in July 2027.
07-16-2024, 03:39 PM
#43
New Hire
Joined APC: Apr 2024
Position: B-737 FO
Posts: 8
Just spoke with a 650 guy and he averages about 17 hours a tour!
07-17-2024, 05:03 AM
#45
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2024
Posts: 43
That person is a fool for trusting the company with math. If you upgrade out of fleet from your FIRST assigned award at indoc, The first seat lock is vacated and you get a new 39mo lock
07-17-2024, 11:37 AM
#46
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 217
The way it happens is said pilot takes another FO bid for a large cabin fleet when they removed seat locks. He then incurred a new 39 months seat lock. If a PIC bid comes out later and he has yet to exercise a first time PIC bid, he can bid the PIC bid and he carries his seat lock with what is left and it is added to a new 39 month seat lock. However, the 2023 CBA just added a provision that if you take a FO bid, you now are inelligible to upgrade for 24 months even within your own fleet if you could hold it.
07-17-2024, 01:52 PM
#47
Speed, Power, Accuracy
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: PIC
Posts: 1,723
When he was hired, he fit out of the Phenom and was placed in the XLS. When the first available PIC bid reached his seniority number and was awarded to him, it was in a Phenom and he had just over a year left on his new hire lock. Since he already fit out of the Phenom, his PIC seat was in an XLS. BUT, they tacked on a full 39 month seat lock to his remaining lock since the upgrade was "technically" in the Phenom. Voila. More than four years. And although that may have changed for NEW upgrades under the amended agreement, his lock would have still stood. So, because the company LOVES screwing its pilots, another great guy and pilot left.
07-17-2024, 03:57 PM
#48
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 233
That's under the new contract.
When he was hired, he fit out of the Phenom and was placed in the XLS. When the first available PIC bid reached his seniority number and was awarded to him, it was in a Phenom and he had just over a year left on his new hire lock. Since he already fit out of the Phenom, his PIC seat was in an XLS. BUT, they tacked on a full 39 month seat lock to his remaining lock since the upgrade was "technically" in the Phenom. Voila. More than four years. And although that may have changed for NEW upgrades under the amended agreement, his lock would have still stood. So, because the company LOVES screwing its pilots, another great guy and pilot left.
When he was hired, he fit out of the Phenom and was placed in the XLS. When the first available PIC bid reached his seniority number and was awarded to him, it was in a Phenom and he had just over a year left on his new hire lock. Since he already fit out of the Phenom, his PIC seat was in an XLS. BUT, they tacked on a full 39 month seat lock to his remaining lock since the upgrade was "technically" in the Phenom. Voila. More than four years. And although that may have changed for NEW upgrades under the amended agreement, his lock would have still stood. So, because the company LOVES screwing its pilots, another great guy and pilot left.
07-17-2024, 06:21 PM
#49
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 217
You misunderstand the math. He got a new fresh 39 month lock with his upgrade when he would otherwise have not gotten one since it was ‘in fleet’. He didn’t get a 5 year lock, he was just denied credit for what he had already served in the XLS. Big difference, and none of this changed in the 2024AA.
07-17-2024, 07:22 PM
#50
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 233
He got the upgrade in another fleef, which is why he incurred the seat lock. Just becasue he fit test out agan and was put in his old fleet does not negate the fact he upgraded out of fleet. He could have waited for an XLS bid and most likely would have got it well short of another 39 month seatlock. He should have waited and chose that. Hereaped what he sowed.
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