Bulldog08

I'm heading to Indoc next week. To the pilots currently employed: What would your wish list for aircraft look like? I currently hold multiple types including the CL-30 for what it's worth. I was thinking 1. Challenger 350 2. Latitude 3. Longitude

hammerhead

I don't think they look at the aircraft preferences at all. In my class no one got their top preference. Statistically you are most likely to get the Latitude. So far I haven't met a pilot who enjoyed flying Latitude but perhaps you will be one.

If you really want to fly Challengers you can ask 350 in the Indoc but it really doesn't matter because even if you don't get it initially you can always bid it via the standing bid sheet and recently people with only 1-2 months on the property have been able to get Challenger 650.

Another consideration is FDP. On average you can expect to make a lot more money in a Phenom or a Latitude than a Challenger. Don't bid Challenger 650 if money is important for you.

JustBoeing

What is the FDP like on the 650?

hammerhead

Depends on who you ask, what schedule they are on, how many VAWD they picked up, how lucky they are etc.

It's less than Phenom and Latty to the tune of five figures per annum but it's impossible to provide an exact number that would be true for everyone.

GeeWizDriver

This is true ONLY if there is an open bid for SIC in the 650 that goes unfilled by "unlocked" bidders and the company elects to waive new-hire seat locks in order to fill it. Otherwise, all new-hires have a 39 month seat lock that must be served before being able to open bid anything else. If their first PIC opportunity is reached before that 39 months expires, whatever remains is ADDED to a new 39 month seat lock in their first PIC award aircraft (unless it was in-fleet upgrade). If awarded an "unlocked" GLC bid, a new 24 month seat lock must be served in the GLC aircraft regardless of when a new-hire's number becomes eligible for their first PIC position.

Finally, a new-hire must be wary of open bidding a GLC airplane during their probabtion year in hopes of having their new-hire lock waived and getting to fly the "big iron." CL-605 training is notoriously difficult and a probie can only have two COMPANY or FAA failures during training (including failure to recommend for the type ride or IOE) before possible termination and has NO retreat rights to their previous aircraft. A tenured pilot can have FOUR training failures during any one training event AND can retreat to their previous aircraft. There have been some training related terminations and more are expected among those that fail to heed union advice on this issue.

hammerhead

Yeah what this guy said ^^^

Or here's TL;DR - "But things may change" and "Fly well, don't suck, don't bust rides"

500RVR

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500RVR

Curious as to why, it appears to be much comfortable compared to the Phenom?

hammerhead

I reckon Phenom is not what Latitude pilots dream about. The opposite is also true.

MaxMar

Everything you said was true except for this. There is no additional time added when you upgrade if it occurs in your first seat lock, regardless of if it was in-fleet or not, since the initial equipment lock is under 15.4(A) and the section you're quoting from is 15.4(B). It's in the interpretive transcripts for Section 15. If you upgrade in your first 39 months at NetJets you'll have a fresh new 39 month lock starting from the date of the award unless it was in-fleet. I got my upgrade award out-of-fleet in April 2024, hired March 2022, my seatlock is up in July 2027.