NetJets Tentative Agreement - thoughts?
#21
It won't be anywhere close to 4.6% pay in 2029. The comparison charts in NJASAPs own teaser documents in the TA are grossly misleading and incorrect lol.
#22
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I agree those charts are misleading. I don't know how to really compare apples to apples between 121 and NetJets since the pay schemes are so different. When you add up average FDP, holiday pay, OT, and longevity bonuses, you are looking at close to 100K for many captains, but nothing is guaranteed and impossible to say they will hold. I also believe the charts are showing min guarantee for the airlines and don't factor in any likely premium pay and there is no way they are showing the massive difference when you include company match vs DC. All I can say for sure is that netjets pilots will make more than they do now.
#23
I agree those charts are misleading. I don't know how to really compare apples to apples between 121 and NetJets since the pay schemes are so different. When you add up average FDP, holiday pay, OT, and longevity bonuses, you are looking at close to 100K for many captains, but nothing is guaranteed and impossible to say they will hold. I also believe the charts are showing min guarantee for the airlines and don't factor in any likely premium pay and there is no way they are showing the massive difference when you include company match vs DC. All I can say for sure is that netjets pilots will make more than they do now.
#24
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If it is showing 16 years, it is really messed up because they compacted the large cabin and category 5 scales to 14 years to make 14 years the top across the board. I do recall seeing the rates for 8&6 as higher than 72 in a few places as another total mistake in the charts. I can't blame the leadership for putting lipstick on the pig, but they could have at least proofread the package.
#25
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Corporate guy here just window shopping.....I've skimmed through the TA, but wondering if someone could shed some real world numbers. If this passes what would the average FO make working the 7/7 after adding FDP, etc.? What are upgrade times these days?
I'm currently makng $180k. Trying to figure out how long it would take to break even if i made the jump sticking to the 7/7. Mainly interested in netjets for the basing options, insurance, and set schedule.
I'm currently makng $180k. Trying to figure out how long it would take to break even if i made the jump sticking to the 7/7. Mainly interested in netjets for the basing options, insurance, and set schedule.
#26
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Corporate guy here just window shopping.....I've skimmed through the TA, but wondering if someone could shed some real world numbers. If this passes what would the average FO make working the 7/7 after adding FDP, etc.? What are upgrade times these days?
I'm currently makng $180k. Trying to figure out how long it would take to break even if i made the jump sticking to the 7/7. Mainly interested in netjets for the basing options, insurance, and set schedule.
I'm currently makng $180k. Trying to figure out how long it would take to break even if i made the jump sticking to the 7/7. Mainly interested in netjets for the basing options, insurance, and set schedule.
#27
Corporate guy here just window shopping.....I've skimmed through the TA, but wondering if someone could shed some real world numbers. If this passes what would the average FO make working the 7/7 after adding FDP, etc.? What are upgrade times these days?
I'm currently makng $180k. Trying to figure out how long it would take to break even if i made the jump sticking to the 7/7. Mainly interested in netjets for the basing options, insurance, and set schedule.
I'm currently makng $180k. Trying to figure out how long it would take to break even if i made the jump sticking to the 7/7. Mainly interested in netjets for the basing options, insurance, and set schedule.
my advice would be stay where you are at and upgrade there to get a higher salary
#28
You will likely make at least 150K your first year on the new contract if it passes and of you drop down to the 7&7 as soon as you can, unless you get stuck on the XLS or Sovereign or unless you get stuck waiting 6 months for IOE. As far as how long to get to 180K on the 7&7, probably your 3rd or 4th year as an SIC or maybe by year your 3rd year if upgrades continue as they currently are. The money doesn't go up as quickly as at the airlines with the pay scales here.
You make your base pay. EVERYTHING else is fluff money and there is ZERO way to forecast it. (Except holidays if you are on the 8/6 or 7/7 schedule and they are known in advance).
However, if you take a 121 MIN GUARANTEE and compare it to the 7/7, using delta numbers you come up with a difference of about $27,000 in favor of Delta. Then subtract Delta's health insurance prices (since yours is "free") and you get a difference of about $2500 in favor of Delta.
Those comparisons are MIN GUARANTEE compared to our 7/7.......nothing more.
It's impossible to compute FDP. People will give you estimates and what they did last year but if you want something to hang your hat on, just use the base pay numbers.
Good Luck.... (these numbers are using the new TA numbers)
#29
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Those numbers are complete BS.
You make your base pay. EVERYTHING else is fluff money and there is ZERO way to forecast it. (Except holidays if you are on the 8/6 or 7/7 schedule and they are known in advance).
However, if you take a 121 MIN GUARANTEE and compare it to the 7/7, using delta numbers you come up with a difference of about $27,000 in favor of Delta. Then subtract Delta's health insurance prices (since yours is "free") and you get a difference of about $2500 in favor of Delta.
Those comparisons are MIN GUARANTEE compared to our 7/7.......nothing more.
It's impossible to compute FDP. People will give you estimates and what they did last year but if you want something to hang your hat on, just use the base pay numbers.
Good Luck.... (these numbers are using the new TA numbers)
You make your base pay. EVERYTHING else is fluff money and there is ZERO way to forecast it. (Except holidays if you are on the 8/6 or 7/7 schedule and they are known in advance).
However, if you take a 121 MIN GUARANTEE and compare it to the 7/7, using delta numbers you come up with a difference of about $27,000 in favor of Delta. Then subtract Delta's health insurance prices (since yours is "free") and you get a difference of about $2500 in favor of Delta.
Those comparisons are MIN GUARANTEE compared to our 7/7.......nothing more.
It's impossible to compute FDP. People will give you estimates and what they did last year but if you want something to hang your hat on, just use the base pay numbers.
Good Luck.... (these numbers are using the new TA numbers)
#30
Those numbers are complete BS.
You make your base pay. EVERYTHING else is fluff money and there is ZERO way to forecast it. (Except holidays if you are on the 8/6 or 7/7 schedule and they are known in advance).
However, if you take a 121 MIN GUARANTEE and compare it to the 7/7, using delta numbers you come up with a difference of about $27,000 in favor of Delta. Then subtract Delta's health insurance prices (since yours is "free") and you get a difference of about $2500 in favor of Delta.
Those comparisons are MIN GUARANTEE compared to our 7/7.......nothing more.
It's impossible to compute FDP. People will give you estimates and what they did last year but if you want something to hang your hat on, just use the base pay numbers.
Good Luck.... (these numbers are using the new TA numbers)
You make your base pay. EVERYTHING else is fluff money and there is ZERO way to forecast it. (Except holidays if you are on the 8/6 or 7/7 schedule and they are known in advance).
However, if you take a 121 MIN GUARANTEE and compare it to the 7/7, using delta numbers you come up with a difference of about $27,000 in favor of Delta. Then subtract Delta's health insurance prices (since yours is "free") and you get a difference of about $2500 in favor of Delta.
Those comparisons are MIN GUARANTEE compared to our 7/7.......nothing more.
It's impossible to compute FDP. People will give you estimates and what they did last year but if you want something to hang your hat on, just use the base pay numbers.
Good Luck.... (these numbers are using the new TA numbers)
It couldn't be more factually inaccurate if they tried...
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