swabjh

I’m unsure if I can share any details, but I’m willing to provide context to the situation.

The angry posts against the AIP exist because they believe management does not respect its pilot group and will not pay them what they believe they are worth (and could be). Additionally, this AIP has few if any QOL enhancements.

The people for the AIP believe that at this point in time, and for years to come, this is the absolute most that management is willing to give and they would rather take what is in front of them now than be left with nothing. They also believe that this is a stepping stone to a much bigger contract down the road since we could negotiate that bigger contract starting from this one (as opposed to starting from the 2020AA).

Regardless of opinion, it’s a 52.5% cumulative pay increase through 2030, 41% cumulative raise in FDP, amongst other things.

ProfessionalSN

I am not a fan of saying its a 50 somthing percent raise.. That makes a nice title graphic though. (over the life of the contract.) we already get like 4% every year under the current contract. now it would be 23%. 6%. then 4% each year. Still well below LCC pay. Anxiouse to see how it plays out like anyone else.

swabjh

I see and hear your point regarding it’s a 52% raise. However, I am just trying to state the facts and I believe that I did so by making sure to include that it is a cumulative raise over 6 years. I, just like you, am anxious to see how it plays out as well.

obiden

You publicly insult 1/3 of the pilot group for their "inexperience" and then demand unity at your pickets.

You order everyone to "fly the contract" and then criticize them for taking advantage of a certain section of it (VED/VAWD), all while many of you hypocrites are on the CC76LT schedule.

Stop being total frauds and I'll reconsider your invitation to picket.

PointBreak

That is a very good point.

PointBreak

That is a very good point.

Cachaco

So much speculation while no one really knows what’s in the alleged TA. Some seem to be self professed experts.

redbeardpilot

Why do you say that? the union sent out a term sheet.

STzBack

Great insight.

From browsing through the mayhem that is the Message Board right now (always), outside of the same angry loud obstructionist who would any way refuse a $1M pay increase if it came with the condition they have to actually fly a plane, there has been some very interesting posts from PL, from DK and a few other who all, without saying it, really suggest that at this point, this is something we should take. In my case it's a $310K extra on base pay alone over the next 6 years left in the actual contract, not taking into account flight duty pay, 401K increase, OT on last day increase, etc.
A guaranteed $310K extra or the unknown.

There are collegues who are well off and for whom an extra $400K is not enough to take away their fight, take away seeing the CEO publicly shamed, seeing the company on its knees. Of all involved in negotiations and union management, it is quite obvious that ML the pyro will lobby for the No vote, ML wants to keep fighting, he would love to see the company close from the result of his fight. It's his calling. He wants the job actions - he supported them openly on the MB - he wants to keep pushing for full unconditional surrender of the company or bust.

It's going to be an interesting one for sure. But let's read the full text, let's understand what's the last day OT, let's see the pay rates.

swabjh

I tend to agree with your position. The question is, of course the MB is inundated with no votes and not to my surprise, but how does the general pilot group actually feel? I think that it will pass, but not by many. Time will tell.