Is NJ hiring FO's?
07-21-2024, 07:38 AM
#211
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 150
This may be changing. I was part of a very recent indoc class, and out of our almost 40 members, I would say only about half a dozen were min time types with no jet time. Most were pretty experienced, vast majority coming from other 135 jet operators, a handfull of cargo folks, some regional airline, a couple from Spirit, and a couple military. I was very surprised at the high level of experience.
I don't mind no jet time pilots. No one has ever come out of the womb with jet time. I think it's a fun 2-3 weeks getting someone up to speed. Garmin being in all the flight schools is a big help.
07-24-2024, 10:46 AM
#212
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Joined APC: May 2023
Posts: 4
Anyone have any insight into how the sim portion of the interview is evaluated?
The sim packet has a takeoff, approach, go around profile, and SOPs that we were told must be complied with. We also did a set of steep turns.
Lets say someone nailed all of the call outs and SOPs but the flying was mediocre? For context, I've never flown a jet before, only ATP CTP, which was in an A320 so it didn't prepare me as much as i hoped it would. Also never worked in a crew environment. The evaluators knew this going in.
Here's my recollection of how it went:
SID: wasn't perfectly on the FD the whole time but didn't bust and speed/altitude restrictions.
Steep turns: I'm not used to the sky pointer and it completely messed me up during the first set. Had to roll the wings level midway through the turn. Asked the evaluator if I could try again and he agreed. Second set was not perfect but better.
ILS: Again, wasnt pinned on the FD all the way down and chased the LOC a little bit. Got the runway in sight just after the FAF and this saved me. Had it been all the way to mins id have been screwed.
Anyone know how they weigh the hand flying vs the adherence to the call outs and procedures? Does one matter more than the other for the interview?
The HR portion of the interview i felt went really great. A lot of my responses were met with a head nod followed by writing as if I said what they wanted to hear. When asked how the sim went i was honest and they seemed to like that.
The sim packet has a takeoff, approach, go around profile, and SOPs that we were told must be complied with. We also did a set of steep turns.
Lets say someone nailed all of the call outs and SOPs but the flying was mediocre? For context, I've never flown a jet before, only ATP CTP, which was in an A320 so it didn't prepare me as much as i hoped it would. Also never worked in a crew environment. The evaluators knew this going in.
Here's my recollection of how it went:
SID: wasn't perfectly on the FD the whole time but didn't bust and speed/altitude restrictions.
Steep turns: I'm not used to the sky pointer and it completely messed me up during the first set. Had to roll the wings level midway through the turn. Asked the evaluator if I could try again and he agreed. Second set was not perfect but better.
ILS: Again, wasnt pinned on the FD all the way down and chased the LOC a little bit. Got the runway in sight just after the FAF and this saved me. Had it been all the way to mins id have been screwed.
Anyone know how they weigh the hand flying vs the adherence to the call outs and procedures? Does one matter more than the other for the interview?
The HR portion of the interview i felt went really great. A lot of my responses were met with a head nod followed by writing as if I said what they wanted to hear. When asked how the sim went i was honest and they seemed to like that.
07-24-2024, 12:09 PM
#213
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Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 233
Anyone have any insight into how the sim portion of the interview is evaluated?
The sim packet has a takeoff, approach, go around profile, and SOPs that we were told must be complied with. We also did a set of steep turns.
Lets say someone nailed all of the call outs and SOPs but the flying was mediocre? For context, I've never flown a jet before, only ATP CTP, which was in an A320 so it didn't prepare me as much as i hoped it would. Also never worked in a crew environment. The evaluators knew this going in.
Here's my recollection of how it went:
SID: wasn't perfectly on the FD the whole time but didn't bust and speed/altitude restrictions.
Steep turns: I'm not used to the sky pointer and it completely messed me up during the first set. Had to roll the wings level midway through the turn. Asked the evaluator if I could try again and he agreed. Second set was not perfect but better.
ILS: Again, wasnt pinned on the FD all the way down and chased the LOC a little bit. Got the runway in sight just after the FAF and this saved me. Had it been all the way to mins id have been screwed.
Anyone know how they weigh the hand flying vs the adherence to the call outs and procedures? Does one matter more than the other for the interview?
The HR portion of the interview i felt went really great. A lot of my responses were met with a head nod followed by writing as if I said what they wanted to hear. When asked how the sim went i was honest and they seemed to like that.
The sim packet has a takeoff, approach, go around profile, and SOPs that we were told must be complied with. We also did a set of steep turns.
Lets say someone nailed all of the call outs and SOPs but the flying was mediocre? For context, I've never flown a jet before, only ATP CTP, which was in an A320 so it didn't prepare me as much as i hoped it would. Also never worked in a crew environment. The evaluators knew this going in.
Here's my recollection of how it went:
SID: wasn't perfectly on the FD the whole time but didn't bust and speed/altitude restrictions.
Steep turns: I'm not used to the sky pointer and it completely messed me up during the first set. Had to roll the wings level midway through the turn. Asked the evaluator if I could try again and he agreed. Second set was not perfect but better.
ILS: Again, wasnt pinned on the FD all the way down and chased the LOC a little bit. Got the runway in sight just after the FAF and this saved me. Had it been all the way to mins id have been screwed.
Anyone know how they weigh the hand flying vs the adherence to the call outs and procedures? Does one matter more than the other for the interview?
The HR portion of the interview i felt went really great. A lot of my responses were met with a head nod followed by writing as if I said what they wanted to hear. When asked how the sim went i was honest and they seemed to like that.
If you didn’t do well enough, they’ll send you a TBNT and won’t comment on your interview.
Interview’s over, don’t worry about it anymore. Just worry about what comes next. Good luck.
07-24-2024, 12:45 PM
#214
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 179
Anyone have any insight into how the sim portion of the interview is evaluated?
The sim packet has a takeoff, approach, go around profile, and SOPs that we were told must be complied with. We also did a set of steep turns.
Lets say someone nailed all of the call outs and SOPs but the flying was mediocre? For context, I've never flown a jet before, only ATP CTP, which was in an A320 so it didn't prepare me as much as i hoped it would. Also never worked in a crew environment. The evaluators knew this going in.
Here's my recollection of how it went:
SID: wasn't perfectly on the FD the whole time but didn't bust and speed/altitude restrictions.
Steep turns: I'm not used to the sky pointer and it completely messed me up during the first set. Had to roll the wings level midway through the turn. Asked the evaluator if I could try again and he agreed. Second set was not perfect but better.
ILS: Again, wasnt pinned on the FD all the way down and chased the LOC a little bit. Got the runway in sight just after the FAF and this saved me. Had it been all the way to mins id have been screwed.
Anyone know how they weigh the hand flying vs the adherence to the call outs and procedures? Does one matter more than the other for the interview?
The HR portion of the interview i felt went really great. A lot of my responses were met with a head nod followed by writing as if I said what they wanted to hear. When asked how the sim went i was honest and they seemed to like that.
The sim packet has a takeoff, approach, go around profile, and SOPs that we were told must be complied with. We also did a set of steep turns.
Lets say someone nailed all of the call outs and SOPs but the flying was mediocre? For context, I've never flown a jet before, only ATP CTP, which was in an A320 so it didn't prepare me as much as i hoped it would. Also never worked in a crew environment. The evaluators knew this going in.
Here's my recollection of how it went:
SID: wasn't perfectly on the FD the whole time but didn't bust and speed/altitude restrictions.
Steep turns: I'm not used to the sky pointer and it completely messed me up during the first set. Had to roll the wings level midway through the turn. Asked the evaluator if I could try again and he agreed. Second set was not perfect but better.
ILS: Again, wasnt pinned on the FD all the way down and chased the LOC a little bit. Got the runway in sight just after the FAF and this saved me. Had it been all the way to mins id have been screwed.
Anyone know how they weigh the hand flying vs the adherence to the call outs and procedures? Does one matter more than the other for the interview?
The HR portion of the interview i felt went really great. A lot of my responses were met with a head nod followed by writing as if I said what they wanted to hear. When asked how the sim went i was honest and they seemed to like that.
All you can do now is focus on what you have already identified as your weak points. Whether or not you get an offer, you seem to acknowledge that instrument flying skills, especially utilizing a flight director, could use work. If you don't get an offer, you'll have a chance here or somewhere else at some point. You'll want to find a way to improve those skills so you do better next time. If you do get the offer, our training program isn't designed to teach you or focus on your instrument skills. You may find it valuable to work on them before starting the job.
07-24-2024, 02:28 PM
#215
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Joined APC: May 2023
Posts: 4
I'll second MaxMar. Nothing you can do now other than wait, and you likely won't get feedback regardless of the outcome. I wouldn't read anything into your preception of their reactions. The interviewers are very good at maintaining a quality poker face.
All you can do now is focus on what you have already identified as your weak points. Whether or not you get an offer, you seem to acknowledge that instrument flying skills, especially utilizing a flight director, could use work. If you don't get an offer, you'll have a chance here or somewhere else at some point. You'll want to find a way to improve those skills so you do better next time. If you do get the offer, our training program isn't designed to teach you or focus on your instrument skills. You may find it valuable to work on them before starting the job.
All you can do now is focus on what you have already identified as your weak points. Whether or not you get an offer, you seem to acknowledge that instrument flying skills, especially utilizing a flight director, could use work. If you don't get an offer, you'll have a chance here or somewhere else at some point. You'll want to find a way to improve those skills so you do better next time. If you do get the offer, our training program isn't designed to teach you or focus on your instrument skills. You may find it valuable to work on them before starting the job.
07-24-2024, 05:43 PM
#216
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Joined APC: Aug 2021
Posts: 7
Im headed to Columbus soon and I’m looking at the logbook review portion and I have about 1480 TT with an Unrestricted ATP but I used about 20 hours of level D time during my training to obtain ATP mins. Is there any cause for concern here in the logbook portion or since I have an ATP it won’t matter? Thanks all.
07-25-2024, 12:37 PM
#217
Speed, Power, Accuracy
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: PIC
Posts: 1,723
Im headed to Columbus soon and I’m looking at the logbook review portion and I have about 1480 TT with an Unrestricted ATP but I used about 20 hours of level D time during my training to obtain ATP mins. Is there any cause for concern here in the logbook portion or since I have an ATP it won’t matter? Thanks all.
If I conducted an interview of someone who had their ATP at EXACTLY 1500 hours, I'd investigate further.
07-25-2024, 01:59 PM
#218
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Joined APC: Oct 2023
Position: 135 SIC
Posts: 200
Im headed to Columbus soon and I’m looking at the logbook review portion and I have about 1480 TT with an Unrestricted ATP but I used about 20 hours of level D time during my training to obtain ATP mins. Is there any cause for concern here in the logbook portion or since I have an ATP it won’t matter? Thanks all.
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