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Old 11-19-2023, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 727C47
I come back through here every couple of weeks just to observe, and note the dysfunction on these boards, but seeing you bloviating about your ex pilot group yet again , forgive me for dipping my oar in,I'm sorry but you are one" interesting " dude, enjoy Alaska , enjoy your family, your acro, whatever , I think we will be just fine as a pilot group,please get a life,but thank you for your constant concern 😂 ok I'm done, see you in few more months 😎
Yup. He's just another industry expert...... who isn't even part of the industry. There's a reason the fractional threads are separate from the others. Might as well listen to your proctologist for marriage counseling if you're going to take anything he has to say seriously.
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Old 11-20-2023, 04:35 AM
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Oh good gravy. You people really don't have any critical thinking skills, do you? Even if it could happen, the idea is to economically discourage people from picking up extended days. No extended days, wheels come off the wagon almost instantly and company is begging at the door for a deal. Sheesh. It's not that hard.

But it was never a serious proposal. It was designed to make people think just a LITTLE, TINY BIT harder about the choices they're making. The fact that ML could make so many intellectual lightweights lose their mind was just an amusing byproduct.
He may have set a message bpard record for reaching 100 responses in the shortest amount of time.

Beginning in January the overall hiring numbers vs. attrition are going to be in the 0 to +15 area per month given the amount of CJOs that are currently held, not including the forced retirements. This isn't over.
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Old 11-20-2023, 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 727C47
I come back through here every couple of weeks just to observe, and note the dysfunction on these boards, but seeing you bloviating about your ex pilot group yet again , forgive me for dipping my oar in,I'm sorry but you are one" interesting " dude, enjoy Alaska , enjoy your family, your acro, whatever , I think we will be just fine as a pilot group,please get a life,but thank you for your constant concern 😂 ok I'm done, see you in few more months 😎
NJASAP leadership is nothing more than a toxic, parasitic political caste that works to benefit the union leadership at the expense of destroying almost all possible leverage for the average line pilot. They keep their positions through intimidation and threats. The pilot group is too cowardly to do anything about them, instead relying on bullying and personal insults (as shown above) to defend their corrupted and toxic leadership.
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Old 11-20-2023, 05:12 AM
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NJASAP leadership is nothing more than a toxic, parasitic political caste that works to benefit the union leadership at the expense of destroying almost all possible leverage for the average line pilot. They keep their positions through intimidation and threats. The pilot group is too cowardly to do anything about them, instead relying on bullying and personal insults (as shown above) to defend their corrupted and toxic leadership.
Also quick to circle the wagons and counter accuse if anyone has a different viewpoint than them.

Surround themselves with yes people that they have no problem selling them out when it comes to that.

It's sad because a lot of these volunteers are good people but they have no idea the history behind the people in charge. Lots of them being used as the canary in the coal mine.
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Old 11-20-2023, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Blueridger
Yup. He's just another industry expert...... who isn't even part of the industry. There's a reason the fractional threads are separate from the others. Might as well listen to your proctologist for marriage counseling if you're going to take anything he has to say seriously.
Yea, and you guys are the industry experts? Picketing Las Vegas F1? I am sure that is bringing management right to its knees...
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Old 11-20-2023, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by AntiPeter
NJASAP leadership is nothing more than a toxic, parasitic political caste that works to benefit the union leadership at the expense of destroying almost all possible leverage for the average line pilot. They keep their positions through intimidation and threats. The pilot group is too cowardly to do anything about them, instead relying on bullying and personal insults (as shown above) to defend their corrupted and toxic leadership.
It isn't surprising. They have nothing to support their feelings. Their position isn't even based on factual or tangible evidence, it's literally a feeling they choose to have. Hell, look at how many NJA pilots posting in here can't even fathom the concept of being pro-union while being against the road NJASAP has taken them down. The unwavering support for the union leadership right now is actually astonishing and saying anything critical against NJASAP or the union leadership is met with "pro-management" and "union buster" retorts. I think it is fascinating as a former employee...
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Old 11-20-2023, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by AntiPeter
NJASAP leadership is nothing more than a toxic, parasitic political caste that works to benefit the union leadership at the expense of destroying almost all possible leverage for the average line pilot. They keep their positions through intimidation and threats. The pilot group is too cowardly to do anything about them, instead relying on bullying and personal insults (as shown above) to defend their corrupted and toxic leadership.
It would have been nice if we hadn't spent last year saying "now is not the time" and arguing about a building we don't need.
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Old 11-20-2023, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by MinRest
It isn't surprising. They have nothing to support their feelings. Their position isn't even based on factual or tangible evidence, it's literally a feeling they choose to have. Hell, look at how many NJA pilots posting in here can't even fathom the concept of being pro-union while being against the road NJASAP has taken them down. The unwavering support for the union leadership right now is actually astonishing and saying anything critical against NJASAP or the union leadership is met with "pro-management" and "union buster" retorts. I think it is fascinating as a former employee...
From my experience a NJA pilot can't be critical of NJASAP leadership and expect to ever be a union volunteer (even a non-political position), IOE instructor, NRFO or check airman. Usually it is the "previous" employees that speak up because those still on the payroll may harm their career, even if they offer constructive and valid criticism.
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Old 11-20-2023, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
Oh good gravy. You people really don't have any critical thinking skills, do you? Even if it could happen, the idea is to economically discourage people from picking up extended days. No extended days, wheels come off the wagon almost instantly and company is begging at the door for a deal. Sheesh. It's not that hard.

But it was never a serious proposal. It was designed to make people think just a LITTLE, TINY BIT harder about the choices they're making. The fact that ML could make so many intellectual lightweights lose their mind was just an amusing byproduct.
What it illustrates is no available leverage to the pilot group. IBB '20 and that LOA last December have repeatedly shown NJASAP doesn’t know how to play the long game. I'll give an example. For 17 years NJA wouldn't budge on HBA's for everyone. Then out of the blue NJA agrees to it. Why, recruiting is why. The union signs that LOA in December and now is trying to publicly shame people into not picking up extended days. What about the pilots getting shown the door on January 10th?
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Old 11-20-2023, 02:20 PM
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It would have been nice if we hadn't spent last year saying "now is not the time" and arguing about a building we don't need.

Yeah...whatever happened to that building? I guess we are spending even more union dollars to renovate an old building to have a really NICE place to serve that BBQ dinner.

Meanwhile, in Vegas, DRINKS AND DINNER on pilot union money!!! YEAH!
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