Pervis

Typical embellishment of a management type. Your numbers and presumptions are so far off there is no way you are a line pilot. A typical 7 day tour for most of us entails 80-90 hours of duty, crew swaps, mid tour airlines, legit AOGs, missing crew food (try flying a jet without fuel- no different than the human element), screw ups from Bridgeway that are left up to the crew to fix, etc.

Yes, there is a very small minority who fit your description, as there are in every department in every company. However, pilots are a getterdone type personality. I've been flying more than 40 years in both civilian and military environments so I feel I have a pretty good sampling of the realities on the line. Including 5 separate fleets at EJA/NJA. Your diatribes are most telling, as are the other "slips" to your arguments. Go back to your cubical. I hope you're better at your real job than you are at this game.

SquatSwitch

Not in the XLS or Sovereign fleets. Or when Mx availability is in the tube for other fleets. Or when waiting for 6+ months for IOE, not touching the line before having to go to recurrent.

Pervis

As in non guaranteed soft money.

FracCracka

Yeah, our scope is so great we have NJ painted G450s in QS tail numbers flying QS owners around with non-seniority list pilots. Pretty solid.

As for the video, it was pretty cringy. Jon is better than that, I'm surprised they even published it. When she talked about not getting deviations after failing to order food within an hour I couldn't help but laugh. Also the trouble getting days off on the 8/6, I don't get the outrage there. You know your schedule for a whole trimester, maybe don't schedule a girl's weekend when you're supposed to be working? Just a thought. And if she thinks they had opposite sleep schedules here, wait until he gets on with AA and they get different equipment, bases, and schedules. Weddings and true life events have never really been a problem here. Just an email to the ACP or CP usually gets it done. Then again, I don't consider video games to be a "life event" that requires a schedule change.

I understand the message they were trying to convey, but outside of our pilot group I don't see many getting behind that couple or the union that put them out there.

The union's strategy group needs to start coming up with strategy that will actually work, because pickets with 5-75 participants, mobile billboards, and mystery baseballs got us a concessionary "offer" that I wouldn't wipe with. I really hope you guys get something really good in 2024. I'll be with you in spirit.

STzBack

100% agree with you.
As far as the video, the comments from a few pilots I talked to today were... spicy The union spent 2.3M extra cash on stuff like that? John's good usually but this was quite cringy indeed.

STzBack

Do you understand what's the definition of average? the average in the XLS and the Sovereign means some people, half, do actually make that money. If the XLS were all grounded, all MX'd, all fatigued, would the average per tour be where it is? Come on!

SquatSwitch

Lol. Well aware, thanks. Was replying to the comment that 150K was achieveable Year 1 by the majority.

SquatSwitch

Absolutely. That pilots have nearly zero control over.

MinRest

Except the pilots had 100% control over voting FDP in or not. I have said it for years that it simply forced people to fly fatigued by throwing money at them. The money was good for a bit but the honeymoon has worn off and pilots are blaming the company for the soft money drying up. That's what happens to soft money, it goes away. If the pilots and NJASAP actually went for meaningful change instead of a quick buck to reduce F bombs, you guys wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Swedepilut

He's up playing video games..... Lol who wrote this? Even worse who kept that edit in?

Every complaint she had (because it was mostly her) was easily fixed. Follow the rules, and use the options given to you if you continue to have issue go to your PM. There is a fix in there somewhere.

Finally who cares? They are gone. They have no skin in the game.