Swedepilut

Just ask ML he loves to dox pilots who don't agree with him.

Swedepilut

If only NJASAP made a video of two people complaining about not following the rules and being denied things being the company problem not theirs.

Entitlement is blatant.

Deserthusker

I could care less who he is. Just want to know if he is on a fleet that has reliability issues that severely affect fdp and if that would change his perspective. The refusal to answer tells me that he is on a fleet that isn’t affected as much. We need hard $ increases not more fdp. Let alone why would we have anything that gives concessions to the current contract. Let’s not forget the company started this discussion. It’s not cause they are so nice they want to give us more. If that were the case the crew food LOA that was sitting on DWs desk would have been signed long ago.

STzBack

wow! How hard we work? you sounds like a coal miner in West Virginia. You're at a job where one starts at around $150K per year, working 15 days a month, where we call fatigue and aog everytime we "don't feel like it" or when we forgot to order food and delay flights or call fatigue for food, where we cancel a flight when we see a little rain cloud. "how hard we work", you know how weak and entitled you sound?
I like the "management scum" insult though. It's very funny.

STzBack

Absolutely not true that 90% read it. Also total lie, no polls/survey has been taken for this latest proposal.

You've been here for 2 years, great. You're going to learn all that the union leadership says isn't always true, same as what the company tells you. It's politics and the politicians make good money by being politicians. it's a battle of ideas, visions, company vs union leadership and within the pilot group, 2, 3 factions with opposite views, alliances are made and broken on a regular basis. You will learn many have corpses hidfden in their backyard too, a lot of personal back stories between individuals, a lot of bitterness from things of the past. Then you'll notice the guard dogs, the barking minority on the MB, there for each and every posts, same narrative, being usefull idiots for the controlling narrative right now. Hopefully you'll broaden your vision and start to understand that especially as a Year 2 pilot, your interests won't be priority for most. Some can wait until Section 6 in 2029 to get a better deal. Hopefully you can provide to your family, your kids and build your capital, your 401K nicely until then and won't miss the 150K+ you will lose in 3 years if no NEGOTIATING is done.
If you do believe that unconditional demands win negotiations, you need to start reading books, history and economics are very interesting subjects.

There are some very great alternative, some balanced pilots here who would do great leading this group, some without personal agendas, not trying to prove something one last time. Hope you chose the right faction the day comes.

STzBack

This video was so bad. I am shocked that adults among the union leadership really believe that this is a good representation of the pilot group. Laughable. So ridiculous. Yes, we will definitely connect with the owners and management.

Se starts with “I always imagined myself going to American Airlines and flying with my dad, he’s been there 36 years, and that’s just where I wanted to be”...
So, she never wanted to be a business jet pilot, she never wanted to come to, and surely not stay at a fractional operator loading bags and cleaning the toilet seat.

“they started denying meal deviations when I didn’t order my food in accordance with the policy.”
Not only it's her fault for failing to order her food within the 1 hour (omg so hard to do) but really this is the first thing that she lists to illustrate how bad is the company?! Her meal deviation? Are you kidding?
emoji emoji omg omg emoji!

These 20+ year-olds making about $300k/year combined as a couple, working 15 days per month, and they had to cut back on their social lives because they were tired? omg!! I feel so so sad for them. Because he played video game for 3 hours at night while she was sleeping? Is this a parody? a satire?

Are we using children for our marketing campaign nowadays? How entitled little babies could you be. This is really what the union leadership believe is a strong tool of communication? for which segment? This is purely trgeted at the message board warriors, no one else would take this seriously, no way. My husband is still laughing at it.

STzBack

Thank you for correcting me, you have a much better insight and knowledge of how it went, I am just repeating what my close friends explained back then, probably just interpretations. Yes it was voluntary but some of my friends didn't really feel like they had a choice, "to save the company and save your job, we would really think you should really take the LOAs" was the way they explained it. Same as my A320 friends at B6, they don't have to take it, but are a bit nervous about the fact that it was proposed and that it's on the table.

ProfessionalSN

I would honestly like to find this 150k pilot starting out working 15 days a month? are they working their vacations which couldnt be till the second year? how many extended days? that wouldnt be 15 days a month.. sounds like some AJ or Ricci math. I guess if you're okay with living in Columbus you would get to go home every night in a managment postion, a bit different.

ProfessionalSN

The survey of what everyone wanted out of an amended agreement, maybe you didn’t get the invite, I guess.
that’s only my opinion, so if there’s enough with your viewpoint get together and do something, I believe they call it organized labor or similar.

Shenzi105

I don't know about her/him, but I made $120K my first year in 2020 with 1 month off no flying, FDP at 12.5 and $118 and I extended twice. Made $150K Year 2 in 2021 with 2 weeks vacations (21 days in a row of not working twice) and a month off for a mtb broken collarbone. I didnt extend more than 2-3 times a year as an FO because I felt the extended day pay wasn't worth it for me vs. time at home.

I would think that making close to $150K in 2022-2023 Year 1 with FDP at 10 and $148 would achievable by a majority of the pilots, no?