STzBack

You're reading the MB as if it is the opinion of the majority of the group. 90% of the group doesn't post on the MB. The only way to prove to you that enough of the membership are not of a mind like mine is to have a vote, but you're scared of it because you know very well that "we don't know what is good for us, and we don't know that we are brainwashed, used, etc, etc". Because we are all so naive in your mind that we cannot make decisions for ourselves and have opinions. Of course I can post on the mb, how can you be so primal that you see company men everywhere. I have said it before along with others on here and elsewhere, there is no conversation on the mb, it is not a place for opinion. as soon as you have different opinions like JL or AV or JD3 or even banned for life, you get insulted, personal attacks, dismissed. The old doberman guard is very active, seems to be living on it 24/7.

Pervis

I don't lurk much less post on the MB. Nor do the majority of my crew mates. I realize there are the few loud mouths there and I have no reason to waste my time with the same blather over and over from a very small minority. I form my own opinion after many years at this company, and have one vote. At this point it would be a resounding no.

Soft money means nothing to me, and to those in fleets where FDP is far less than other fleets. Try going to a bank and tell them you may earn this if....... Take away the soft money and load up base wages. Annual salary to include extended days? Ah, no. I don't extend-of my own volition. I don't do magic ball or work beyond the schedule I choose. I expect to be paid honest wages for those days I work, not based upon the what ifs.

STzBack

you can use the flight hours per tour average the union is publishing.

STzBack

The 08/17 email from the union scheduling commitee gave us the last avg per fleet:

Phenom 21.21
XLS 19.62
Latitude 22.29
Sovereign 17.50
350 23.46
Longitude 22.22
650 20.31

The 2 GLX are at 17.95 and 13.98 but cannot be compared to the other fleets, their OT is incomparably so much higher and compensate.

All fleets are pretty close in avg, and if we take the difference between the Sovereign and the 350, at $200 (proposed rate) that would come to $1,192 per tour so at about 20 tours per year, yes a difference of about $24K avg. Same as at the airlines, some planes pay better, some bases pay better.

I agree, not set in stone like a total income at the airline, all will depend on how much you pick and drop, you fleet, your base

Deserthusker

So again I ask what fleet are you on? As you know there is a high and a low to get that average. Would you feel the same if you were always on the low end or a fleet that is known to have mx issues.

Pervis

Large cabin fleets don't do near as much OT as years past. I'm in one, and it doesn't matter if you're old or young. Again, no guarantees. Yea, one can pick up extended days, but I will not rely on that soft money for my budget. To do so is foolish at best. VAWDs can go away in a heart beat. OT is hit and miss. Even holiday pay can be elusive, depending on one's schedule. So no guarantees, no vote. The extras are icing on the cake if you so choose. Some of us prefer our families to working most of the month.

Oh, and company says they are postured to absorb downturns, unlike years past. Who absorbs the most loss if/when the economy tanks? With all the soft money, the pilots will be the largest single group to take the biggest hit when all that soft money dries up. Nice plan.

STzBack

what is the definition of average? it's your average for the year. Of course there are low time tours and high time tours. You're still going to be paid to fly, alike the ailrine pilots, you're not going to be paid to stay in the hotel at any excuse possible. This is still a job where work has to be done, not a cushy trust funder gig.

STzBack

this latest company offer is still a very good financial improvement for the next 6 years of the contract. That's why IBI are supposed to be, improvement on the current contract, not a brand new contract with changes through all paragraphs. Pretty suicidal to refuse anything and wait until 2029 with nothing in hand, no financial improvement. Can't wait to see your face when we reach 2029 and you count how much you lost by pushing to refuse this money. Espedially if something bad happens in life. Never good to regret things.
Like I said, negotiate on the OT, negotiate the showtime keeping it at 1.5 for international, put some conditional limit to the NRFO deal and this could be packaged very quickly. The problem is that there is no will to negotiate on the side of union negotiating commitee and they have made it a personal issue between them and the EMT. If this isn't move to a vote, we will need a change of personel at union and EMT level, can't keep one or the other, they are gone too personal with their attacks, acting like the clowns in congress.

Deserthusker

ok. One more time. What fleet are you on? Not a hard question.

Sewertubeflyer

You do realize this cannot be put out to a vote currently right? Bullet points are not able to be voted on and that’s all they are right now. The company and union would need to get all the language into contract form and agree on it, then send it out which is impossible when they’re not talking.

As far as losing money, yeah we’re going to lose a little while we wait for a proper offer but even with what has been proposed, we’re under regional pay. I work far too hard to be paid less than the regionals.