STzBack

We all have the details of the proposal. It was share to us all by the union. What's your problem with pilots having the information that was given to... pilots.

STzBack

This far outweight the irrelevant concessions it has asked for. Much better income for the 6 years left of the contract.

The problem is that there's a 20-30 years cultural difference between some that are at the end of their career and do not care if they take the company down with them, they are now lazy, burnt out, ENTITLED, very snowflakish ("oh my goooood! a legal 10hours min-rest, after a 8 hours 4-legs day, aaargh, I am fatigued") and those who are starting their career, need to frontload on their 401K, will have their first children, along with those with kids in school, building their patrimony. The huge difference between the "You need to pay your dues, I suffered here" and the rest is grown past mending. The next vote will show it. Hence why no vote is coming. The pyromaniacs feel the need to keep on feeding their pretorian guard on the MB. Hence why the next elections will be very interesting. I'm sure the company can wait. People are doing the job they are employed and paid for. The only ones losing are pilots, losing potential income, because the much richer, almost retired segment of the group is acting like children.

Since the MB is the place where one can propose idiotic ideas, what about, in order to finally have the union politburo to bring things to a vote, get the echo chamber message board useful idiots to accept anything, we should, maybe, have a two-fold contract: one for the bitter, angry, spoiled, stuck at netjets, Year 18+ guys, with all the spoils of war they are demanding above all, first class tickets on all travel, chef's prepared meal with unlimited meal deviation limit so that they can order the triple-stack fat burger at Applebees, 6 hours duty per day, 4 days on/10 days off, at Delta A350 pay rate. We should really have a special children clause in there. 💩 apologies, thought sattire was on the menu.

GeeWizDriver

IRRELEVANT concessions?

Now we KNOW you are a company stooge if not a management pilot.

If you think allowing OEM pilots to routinely fly OUR airplanes is a good idea you have NO concept of scope or how important it is. There's already been one major scope dodge here that cost at least 50 seniority list pilot jobs. You don't want another.

The fact that management is fighting SO HARD to claw back EFPP should tell you all you need to know about its potential value. The negotiating committee has expressed SOME willingness to give it up IF the rest of the package is SPECTACULAR. If you think the company proposal is spectacular, you prove the most famous axiom widely attributed to P. T. Barnum.

The signing bonus....you're telling me that a guy on property 8 days deserves the same bonus as a guy on the property 8 YEARS? Straight-up vote buying. If you want to START everybody's bonus at $15 K and THEN give everybody $150 per month of service (with NO CAP) then I'm good with it. If not, straight up NO for me.

Will we get Delta money (on an apples to apples, per day of work comparison)? No. Will we get major hard limits on duty time and the like? No. Will we get major improvements in airline policy, hotels, and crew food? No. As some have said "this job will always kinda suck." But it's long past time for them to PAY for the suck and they are completely unwilling to do it.

tm602

Pay attention to GeeWiz kiddies...especially you starry eyed newbies. Once the thrill of polyester has worn off and you spent that bonus, you'll wish you listened.
Of suspicion is how active that STzBack is when he only joined a month ago....right as things got really heated up.
Its not my fight anymore but I'd sure hate to see the guys I know who are still there have to eat it again.

AntiPeter

Best luck to NJASAP pilots. I'm confident NJA could probably pay more than a legacy and also improve QOL.

Solidarity is an issue as is NjASAP leadership, but the possibility of a great contract exists.

Prove me wrong.
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Swedepilut

I feel like this is another game of 3 card monti again.

Don't look under this card section 20 is there, don't look under this one bonus and money, this one is work rules.

In the end the cards are being moved around so that the union can fool specific segments of the pilot group depending on who they need to vote to not lose their union roll.

Section 20 don't worry we got you covered we know what's best.... look at all the short term money you're going to get.

When that bonus is spent and you're at a holiday inn again...... Well I guess some people are going to say "I told you so for a second time"

But don't worry we held all these pickets and published adds in the WSJ.

Oh and we have a shiny new building....

MEH #jetcamp

MinRest

History would prove that pay and benefits are only good at NJA when the airline industry is in shambles.

STzBack

We can get the best pay ever for a fractional/charter company, without even extending our contract, and then start again real negotiation in 2026-29. They just offered more money than you've ever seen in your netjets life. The suck? it's a fractional/charter/on-demand job, it will always suck, but it's always been known, never a surprise. Everyone knows before signing what on-demand is. "Paying for the suck" is such a short-sighted thing to say, an narrative with no tomorrows. but you're rich now, you probably got a couple millions in 401K, a couple homes, you're probably a grand-parent by now. So you don't care about the pilot group, like all your old friends, you're selfish, you want to have your temper tantrum like a little child who is not getting the extra serving of stuffing at Thanksgiving. Age 70 rule is aproaching. You want others to pay for your personal career choices. You're "entitled". You would love to be paid CC76 to just stay home. You need an improved medical deal beyond the 3 years we have so that you can really scheme the system without working. Total lack of integrity, but you want to give lessons to other? I don't care that you were here in 1998, I wasn't and didnt want to be. It is not my fault that no Legacy has hired you since. No one forced you to "suffer so terrible". Get back to reality, go see how things happen in the real life. Go get a 7-8 hours day job, 6 days a week, 4 weeks a month and enjoy your 2-3 total weeks vacation per year.

Swedepilut

Sorry but no. At the end of the day this is an IBB it isn't a wholesale redo of the entire contract. It's bits an pieces. This is what we agreed to and this is what both the company and the pilot have to live up to. The union sold this to the pilots. It must be served on a silver platter and we all get to bite a piece of this **** sandwich.

The idea we get to now renegotiate the whole contract when it isn't due yet is not a reason to disparage someone that might have a difference of opinion. He has probably more time in the seat for NJ than anyone here. His view shouldn't just be dismissed. All views should be listened to because each view has a unique view on life or what motivates them.

In the end you've got 6 posts and all of a sudden pop up. Sorry if people just all of a sudden don't just listen to everything you say. Everyone else here either knows who they are or actually have been outed because of it. It just doesn't hold water.

I'd slow your roll unless you decide to stand up and admit who you are.

UTR69

BUT.......this person DOES kinda make a good point......