UTR69

FACTS!

And the fact the ML made a post like that then said "debate away" when he constants shouts down other members trying to make comments is absolutely mind boggling.

BTW....what's the score of the baseball game??

MinRest

Sounds like a fantastic and very topical tactic to get the pilot group to fight amongst themselves so they don't focus on the union's shortcomings.

GeeWizDriver

I disagreed at the time and still disagree with the decision to make 2.5 VED permanent. That choice cost the group a lot of leverage in my view despite the claim "show me how the extenders now wouldn't have extended at 1.5 if we hadn't signed the loa." Impossible to prove. But human nature would seem to indicate that at least SOME of the current extenders wouldn't extend at 1.5 and this is a game of 1000 cuts, right?

I've had my disagreements with union leadership's decisions on a number of issues now and in the past and made no bones about it. But I still support the effort to secure a new contract in every way I can, including carrying a sign for three days running. The notion that a new slate of "leaders" to replace the current E-Board is a good idea can only be chalked up to hubris, ignorance, or stooges trying to help the company secure a concessionary contract (usually the latter.)

As for the Age 70 MRA, the union filed the grievance, argued it to the best of their ability, and fulfilled their DFR. The grievance is going to fail despite those efforts. In a weird way, the departing pilots' sacrifice will actually help the group by adding another cut that draws the company closer to empty cockpits and parked metal because of this management team's incompetence.

hawkerpilot05

I think the Arbitrator is going to uphold the removal of the pilots but force the company and union to negotiate a severance package. By the Arbitrator ordering it, the union can't be sued for age discrimination and it will circumvent that law. We shall see.

GeeWizDriver

Arbitrators either uphold a grievance or deny it. I don't see a "split the baby" type of ruling.

Tiggerpilot

Wrong.

Im a volunteer and have respectfully disagreed with union management on a few things. You write of things you know nothing about.

Tiggerpilot

And once again...ignorant post.

In what way is NJASAP leadership "parasitic", working "to benefit the union leadership"? For everything this "parasitic" group does to the union (normal pilots) they too have to live by. You make these grandiose statements, show us some examples.

As far as "Cowardly", that is the description of a guy afraid to post on our own message board b/c his name will be seen. Instead he comes here under "antipeter" spewing disinformation.
Case in point, You look back 11 mos with 20/20 hindsight and say we made a bad decision... Congrats, you're super brave.

Why do I get the impression you weren't so brave 11 mos ago with your foresight?

I love it when guys in the cheap seats complain about decisions made by guys in the arena... like they would of done something different. If your so brave, throw your hat in the ring. Let's see how you do. Keep in mind people would have to know your name, Braveheart.

AntiPeter

Unfortunately "gaslighting" will not lead to an improved CBA.

wankel7

Only Section Six will.

Has there been any indication the current efforts are doing anything benifitial?

UTR69

None....zero...zilch...nada....

A COMPLETE waste of time and money and resources!