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03-25-2023, 09:43 AM
#71
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2022
Posts: 182
They are not teaching new hires what’s in the FOM, AOM, or CPM. They’re telling them to “look it up.”
Likewise NJASAP does not teach the contract. There’s some very senior pilots here who don’t know what’s in the contract. I surely don’t know everything and it’s probably cost me money over the last several decades.
We are our own worst enemies.
03-25-2023, 10:39 AM
#72
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2018
Posts: 228
Travel is part of our duty day, including when traveling to home base. This means a pilot is entitled to overtime and after midnight compensation when applicable. A pilot may request to be taken off duty when traveling home. This allows alcohol consumption but the crew member does not get the previously mentioned pay benefits (with some exceptions - it can get complicated). On a normal last day, the crew member is turned off duty once their airline blocks in. But that is not guaranteed and the crew member is on duty until they get the official off message.
03-25-2023, 12:56 PM
#73
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2023
Posts: 298
In fairness to them, they’ve always been good about that. I did have a newish FO in the last 6 months or so who thought he was off (proposed) but wasn’t. Got a brief update and acknowledged it and then immediately got an off message time stamped in the past.
They are not teaching new hires what’s in the FOM, AOM, or CPM. They’re telling them to “look it up.”
Likewise NJASAP does not teach the contract. There’s some very senior pilots here who don’t know what’s in the contract. I surely don’t know everything and it’s probably cost me money over the last several decades.
We are our own worst enemies.
They are not teaching new hires what’s in the FOM, AOM, or CPM. They’re telling them to “look it up.”
Likewise NJASAP does not teach the contract. There’s some very senior pilots here who don’t know what’s in the contract. I surely don’t know everything and it’s probably cost me money over the last several decades.
We are our own worst enemies.
03-25-2023, 12:59 PM
#74
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2022
Posts: 182
I assume you are talking about NJ since this is a NJ forum. My thinking was more general than that. On go home day, we dont get a "duty off" message at my company, instead told "no meals are paid for once the jet hits the jet bridge", that sounds like duty off. It is kind of a gray area that you would not want to be on the wrong side of!
Wasn’t always that way but when 91k came around it brought the prospective rest with it. I’d ask for an off message or clarification of the policy.
03-25-2023, 01:00 PM
#75
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2021
Posts: 189
In fairness to them, they’ve always been good about that. I did have a newish FO in the last 6 months or so who thought he was off (proposed) but wasn’t. Got a brief update and acknowledged it and then immediately got an off message time stamped in the past.
They are not teaching new hires what’s in the FOM, AOM, or CPM. They’re telling them to “look it up.”
Likewise NJASAP does not teach the contract. There’s some very senior pilots here who don’t know what’s in the contract. I surely don’t know everything and it’s probably cost me money over the last several decades.
We are our own worst enemies.
They are not teaching new hires what’s in the FOM, AOM, or CPM. They’re telling them to “look it up.”
Likewise NJASAP does not teach the contract. There’s some very senior pilots here who don’t know what’s in the contract. I surely don’t know everything and it’s probably cost me money over the last several decades.
We are our own worst enemies.
03-25-2023, 01:02 PM
#76
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2023
Posts: 298
Granny really didn't want to pay lol.
03-29-2023, 06:36 AM
#78
Speed, Power, Accuracy
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: PIC
Posts: 1,725
This is absolutely true and it's worse than that. On occasion, members have asked for clarification on a contract issue on the message board. The answer ALWAYS comes in the for of "that is Section X, paragraph 5, subsection D...." They embrace the "give a man a fish, you feed him for a day...teach him to fish you feed him for a lifetime" ideal. Except most of us aren't freakin lawyers, have probably read the section, and STILL can't decipher it and that's why they're asking. Own worst enemies indeed.
03-29-2023, 06:42 AM
#79
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Joined APC: Apr 2015
Position: CRJ
Posts: 389
This is absolutely true and it's worse than that. On occasion, members have asked for clarification on a contract issue on the message board. The answer ALWAYS comes in the for of "that is Section X, paragraph 5, subsection D...." They embrace the "give a man a fish, you feed him for a day...teach him to fish you feed him for a lifetime" ideal. Except most of us aren't freakin lawyers, have probably read the section, and STILL can't decipher it and that's why they're asking. Own worst enemies indeed.
03-29-2023, 08:22 AM
#80
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2022
Posts: 182
This is absolutely true and it's worse than that. On occasion, members have asked for clarification on a contract issue on the message board. The answer ALWAYS comes in the for of "that is Section X, paragraph 5, subsection D...." They embrace the "give a man a fish, you feed him for a day...teach him to fish you feed him for a lifetime" ideal. Except most of us aren't freakin lawyers, have probably read the section, and STILL can't decipher it and that's why they're asking. Own worst enemies indeed.
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