MinRest

??? I literally said I hope NetJets hires him, as that is where he wants to go. Being unrealistic about what is going on is simply silly. There is nothing wrong with managing expectations and having a backup plan.

ASACapt

You could easily make a career as an FO @Netjets. I did it for over 13 years and was making over $180k before upgrading. Who can’t live on that amount for a career? I also know 2-3 year FO’s on the 7/7 making $120k
[MENTION=92801]MinRest[/MENTION]: Stop giving bad advice. You seem like a cancer this company. Your thoughts may only represent about 3% of the p***ed off pilot group that work here. That group could be given 100lbs in gold bars and y’all will still complain about the size of the bag they came in.

To anyone looking at NetJets, Please don’t listen to Minrest. NetJets has come a long way and is a great place to work.

Regarding the new agreement that’s going out for vote this month, Minrest isn’t telling you the positives of it. While others are furloughing, our company is offering a signing bonus and ways to make more money during this terrible time that’s hurt our 121 brothers and sisters.

Yea the company has proposed that we reduce .3 pilots per plane. Yes, .3. This is my opinion only, but when you look at the numbers, it looks like this .3 reduction is because the company has a folks on medical leave that take up the current crewing ratio. The current ratio may force the company to hire pilots it doesn’t need, thus spend needlessly. The reduction of .3 gives the company relief to essentially work with the current seniority list with those on various leaves and not have to hire while being able to take aircraft deliveries next year.

This new agreement also pays the pilots more during a pandemic for the job we’re already doing. Sounds like a win/win to me. Unfortunately, Minrest fails to shed any light on NetJets and instead just throws shade.


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ASACapt

If NetJets is where you want to be, then please apply when we begin hiring again. I have no idea when that will happen. It’s great working with pilots that WANT to be here.


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ASACapt

[MENTION=92801]MinRest[/MENTION]: You failed to mention the new agreement guarantees 363 Captain upgrades for those FO’s hired through 2009 at 8/month. The thought is attrition will upgrade everyone from 2015 on.

(I don’t believe we hired anyone from 2010-2014 which leaves a large DOH gap.)


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Blueridger

Never take job advice for a specific company from an individual that doesn’t work at said company. MinRest sounds like a disgruntled ex NJA pilot who continues to lurk on the fractional message boards well after his expiration date on any relevant information.

Netjets is one of the few domestic aviation companies, if not the ONLY, that is actively looking at increasing compensation for its pilot group. Oh, and without having taken a cent of federal bailout money. They also offer basing that is second to none and no cost health care premiums. I’m quite certain many would be happy to be working there right now instead of facing paycuts and possible furlough. Just food for thought. Perspective is a funny thing.

MinRest

Oh, you're one of those that think they don't pay for healthcare at NJA haha! Awesome. NJA is also the only company through a TA, that is actively trying to contractually further shrink its pilot group. But yea a few hundred fake and unnecessary upgrades will solve all the problems lol. Several former NJA pilots in another thread have expressed that they are still happier at the airlines facing furlough, than if they had stayed at NJA. Those opinions are as equally valid and important as your unwavering cheerleading opinions on the company.

Speaking of the relevant information I do not have, was I off on the continued shrinking of the pilot group? I'll wait...

ASACapt

So pilots facing furlough with zero income are happier now than when they were making $250k with free healthcare? Ok. That’s a new one.

The seniority list is being efficient at the post-furlough level. If you run the math, they still can’t really go below the current 5.0 pilots per plane with vacations, leaves, training, etc.

What’s a fake upgrade? If we hit another Politcaldemic..oops pandemic, they still have to upgrade 8/mo.


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MiGBoy

Good luck with your insecurity problem.

Blueridger

You’re right. Netjets is contractually looking to possibly shrink its pilot group through productivity gains. However, those small gains they can still make will end up back in our pockets and with zero involuntary furloughs. You might want to check on the state of the rest of the industry if you think that’s really a bad situation in this economic environment.

It would sound ludicrous for someone to say they would rather face furlough than still be working at NJA. Sounds like pride before the fall.

This company is also far different than it used to be just a few short years ago......but like I said, you wouldn’t know anything about that. Just 5 years ago, I was as embittered as you are now. So I hardly think I fit the picture of the unwavering cheerleader.

Oh, and like ASA pointed out, what the heck is a fake upgrade? I wish I had gotten fake upgraded when that was a thing. The contract spells out GUARANTEED upgrades. Last I checked, that too is something most pilots see as a benefit and it will mean an extra $60k in the pockets of some of our most senior FOs. Nothing fake there.

Jkmsr

what’s a fake upgrade?