Finny McCool

When I left after the 2016 contract I was making about $900/day as a maxed out small cabin Captain. As a second year FO if I just fly my 15.5 day average per month schedule I average about 120 TFP per/month. That equates to $800/day. Year 12 FO that would equate to $1360/day. Even if things slowed and a person was only getting 100 TFP/month that would equate to $1133/day.

But where the real money is made is with premium. The ability to hold premium increases with seniority. Even as a junior guy there are times during the summer when I have my pick there is so much available. I missed a bid the other day for a two day that would have paid me $3500 by one number. That trip would have paid a senior FO at today's rates which will increase over the next few years $5200 for two days and a Captain $7700. There are a lot of senior FO's and Captains who “clear their board” (drop all their trips) and fly mostly premium. If I told you how much some of these guys make you wouldn't believe me so I won't.

Add another 14 percent for the B fund and if PS is hanging in another 10-15 percent for that as well.

GeeWizDriver

You might get butthurt over Nacho's delivery but it doesn't make what he says any less true.

The need for a mandatory retirement age for ALL compensated flying is clear. Certainly there are the one-off, marathon-running, sharp-as-a-tack 72 year old pilots that can put me to shame at 53. But the simple fact is, there are FAR too many over-65 pilots who lack the intellectual honesty to know they are WAY past their expiration date. Most regulations are aimed at the lowest common denominator and a mandatory retirement age is no different.

And trying to excuse protecting the fossils by saying there are incompetent 40 year olds is the worst kind of deflection. It's an ENTIRELY different issue.

The other argument against mandatory retirement that's usually trotted out is that we "just want people out of our seat." I'm top a 400 GLC PIC and I was just flying with a top 75 GLC PIC. There is nobody "in our seat." We're in that seat. And we are both totally on board with a mandatory retirement age for 91K and 135.

It is way past time.

David Puddy

At Air Canada, once pilots reach a specific age they rotate to the FO position at the bottom of the list if they want to stay. That way, they do not inhibit the movement of younger pilots wanting to make more money (i.e., and not stagnate). At Delta, captains not interested in retiring at age 60 back in the 90s used to rotate to the FE position (when they had L-1011s and 727s) - they were called ROPES - an acronym related to retirement. Why can't something like this be implemented for pilots wanting to stay on beyond a specific age (as long as they are physically able to load the bags, etc.)? Just go to the bottom of the FO list if you want to stay with the company....

Jetlife

Yea but if you fly 27 days a month, sell your medical insurance back, sell your crew meals to bums, sell your extra uniforms that you bought with your uniform allowance, and don't spend the 600 dollars a year you get in tips, at 16 years of service you can make 220k as a CA...

CA1900

You can't. You used those funds to buy KCM access...

Jetlife

You just made my eye twitch!!!! Lol

pilot0987

Who is the netjets chief pilot? And do ejm have their own title or do they refer to themselves as netjets as well?

CA1900

There are several, each manages one or more fleets. There isn't a single chief pilot.

Totally separate entity. When Netjets has to charter additional lift, they often do it through EJM as it's a related Berkshire company, but it's a different company and different operational control.

G550Guy

I posted a spread sheet on the union forum a year ago right before I left (and took the $156,788 buyout with me, )...

I can't remember if I had SW on there or not, maybe it was Alaska. But anyway, it was a no brainer in terms of retirement benefits going back to the 121 world. Every scenario I ran I came out ahead in lifetime earnings. I was 48, and a Captain when I punched.

There are several factors to consider leaving NetJets:

• CrashPads
• Crashpad Car
• Commuting Expenses
• Medical Insurance

However, some of these are offset with some carriers offering MUCH higher per diem rates and international overrides on flight times. Leaving or staying is always personal choice and I never fault anyone for doing what they think is best, do your own research and make a family decision that everyone can agree too.

Had it not been for that buyout, my family would be eating ramon noodles every night for a year.

pilot0987

Thanks sent u a pm