Leave Netjets?
04-13-2017, 07:36 AM
#151
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THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING. This message board is primarily for people who are looking for a new job. The union message board is for current employees of Netjets.
So when people ask questions of NetJets - it is not about life as a captain bc they aren't hiring them. They are hiring people to sit in the right seat for 20 years. Jetlife has never said that captains don't have it good, he's always talked about HIS situation and pushed back against the FlyLows ridiculous assertions about NJA is the best job around and every airline is teetering on collapse.
A million times over - don't come to Netjets and think you'll ever be more than an FO.
Go to a regional, go to an LCC, try for a Major.
For the vast majority of professional pilots - you'll have a better career.
So when people ask questions of NetJets - it is not about life as a captain bc they aren't hiring them. They are hiring people to sit in the right seat for 20 years. Jetlife has never said that captains don't have it good, he's always talked about HIS situation and pushed back against the FlyLows ridiculous assertions about NJA is the best job around and every airline is teetering on collapse.
A million times over - don't come to Netjets and think you'll ever be more than an FO.
Go to a regional, go to an LCC, try for a Major.
For the vast majority of professional pilots - you'll have a better career.
His friend is 34, 7300 total time, 5000 PIC/Multi, and 800 turbine currently working for a small freight-forwarding operation. I explained that career progression and pay would be MUCH better going the airline route, but he STILL wants to work for NJ. Even after I explained he would be an FO for a minimum of 12-15 years.
The proverbial different strokes...
04-13-2017, 09:57 AM
#152
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04-13-2017, 10:15 AM
#154
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C'mon amigo...I KNOW you really miss the Hazmat, 14/10's and the ditz fom Seattle collecting your empty Fiji bottles!
Look, NetJets ain't for everybody. But for some folks, it actually works.
I've learned how to deal with silliness from the brain trust in CMH (WAIT until you've given them enough time to realize the idiocy, THEN call if you still have to fix it). And I've learned to care a little less....
I actually LIKE the 7-7. It allows me to work a second job that I love (it sure ain't for the money) that I could never do if I worked airline patterns. And short of a medical or military leave, NONE of the airline pilots I know can take 35 straight days off like I'll be doing starting next Wednesday.
I LOVE the two airplanes I fly and hope to milk this fleet to retirement (no later than 65 BTW).
And even though we'd all like to make more money, I earn enough to support myself and my better half in a manner well beyond the ability of most Americans. The great folks I work with at the other job bust their humps for $12-21 an hour, 22-26 days a month and are always smiling, laughing, and joking. That's a routine reality check for me.
For me, the toughest part about working at NJ is watching hard-working FO's languish while their employer (and their union, frankly) diddles away their career future. If I were an FO at NJ, my atttitude about the job would be completely different and I probably would be looking HARD for the ejection handle.
But Jetlife seems to want to apply HIS bad experience at NJ to EVERYBODY and makes no allowance for the fact that some people actually LIKE the gig.
Look, NetJets ain't for everybody. But for some folks, it actually works.
I've learned how to deal with silliness from the brain trust in CMH (WAIT until you've given them enough time to realize the idiocy, THEN call if you still have to fix it). And I've learned to care a little less....
I actually LIKE the 7-7. It allows me to work a second job that I love (it sure ain't for the money) that I could never do if I worked airline patterns. And short of a medical or military leave, NONE of the airline pilots I know can take 35 straight days off like I'll be doing starting next Wednesday.
I LOVE the two airplanes I fly and hope to milk this fleet to retirement (no later than 65 BTW).
And even though we'd all like to make more money, I earn enough to support myself and my better half in a manner well beyond the ability of most Americans. The great folks I work with at the other job bust their humps for $12-21 an hour, 22-26 days a month and are always smiling, laughing, and joking. That's a routine reality check for me.
For me, the toughest part about working at NJ is watching hard-working FO's languish while their employer (and their union, frankly) diddles away their career future. If I were an FO at NJ, my atttitude about the job would be completely different and I probably would be looking HARD for the ejection handle.
But Jetlife seems to want to apply HIS bad experience at NJ to EVERYBODY and makes no allowance for the fact that some people actually LIKE the gig.
But if this is a thread about getting hired and what to expect as a new hire, the position of a 15 year captain could not be more irrelevant to the conversation at hand.
Of my new hire class, 3 have left, and the last 90% are actively looking to leave. Yes NetJets works for some, but when 90% of a class finds out it wont work for them after a year on property, what does that say about the company for a new hire? I has happy to be hired there, happy I accepted the position, and I am happy to have NetJets on the resume. A few days ago I saw a NetJets Phenom 300 land while I was flying an Extra 300 and it made me smile. I had enjoyable moments and I met some amazing people. Hell, our new hire class has a group chat and we literally all talk daily, and they are great friends.
I know it is easy to enclose ones self into a bubble, I do it just as much as FLYLOW22 does it, but 90% of my "bashing" is misconstrued and is merely offering realistic information. If my experience was unique to me, then nobody else would feel the same way. Hell, almost half of the 3/2015 class is already gone.
04-13-2017, 10:33 AM
#155
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There will be no 20 year FOs
We haven't enough grandpas on the SL to make that happen.
Just as retirements kicked up at the majors, NJ will start to see its own wave. These retirements will happen for a multitude of reasons, not simply age restrictions; unless an age restriction is imposed by FAA or some other entities.
Age 67 seems to be the drop off of medically induced retirements.
We do have pilots that stay longer, much longer but they are far fewer in number.
You may not agree with my assertions but hey, I don't agree with yours.
And that's fine.
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We haven't enough grandpas on the SL to make that happen.
Just as retirements kicked up at the majors, NJ will start to see its own wave. These retirements will happen for a multitude of reasons, not simply age restrictions; unless an age restriction is imposed by FAA or some other entities.
Age 67 seems to be the drop off of medically induced retirements.
We do have pilots that stay longer, much longer but they are far fewer in number.
You may not agree with my assertions but hey, I don't agree with yours.
And that's fine.
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There are no retirements to "kick" in at NetJets. The majority of pilots are in the 45-50 range. There are large percentages that are older too but to imply that most here are on the cusp of retirement to fuel upgrades is incorrect. There are too many that want to fly until they die, so yes some will drop off at 63, some will drop off at 75.
I am not sure there will be 20 year FOs there but right now, taking all considerations in, that is more likely than it is to have 5 year FO's upgrading anytime soon. Guys are sitting year 12 and won't upgrade this year, not with the 5 upgrades proposed. And even if they bumped up to 50 upgrades a year, the most junior FO on property would be a 20 year FO before upgrade.
04-13-2017, 04:35 PM
#158
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
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No, you don't have 5 year FOs....because Netjets didn't hire anyone for almost 8 years and furloughed about 25% of the pilots.
But in 3 years when there are 5 year FO, they'll still be 10+ years away from upgrading.
But in 3 years when there are 5 year FO, they'll still be 10+ years away from upgrading.
04-13-2017, 04:39 PM
#159
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He knows what I meant, he would rather try to focus on a technicality than the reality. Since I have to explain it, what I meant was, an FO hired now, isn't upgrading in 5 years, it ain't happening, like it literally and physically cannot happen, the company couldn't upgrade 200 a year and even if they did 100 a year, the most junior FO hired today would see a 15 year upgrade.
04-13-2017, 07:02 PM
#160
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The story involves bikini clad FA's, an especially fetching Hollywood starlet, and tequila. Go forth and party and leave bickering on the board to those of us stuck in Meridian, Mississippi and the like...
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