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Old 01-30-2013, 11:30 PM
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Could Jungle's presence here as a right-wing thought leader be any more obvious?
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I must admit that I know nothing of William Hickman. I will not defend it. I understand the criticisms of Rand and some have validity. Again, my intent is not to start a debate about her, but I appreciate your delineation.

All men are imperfect. But all men can decide to think rationally unless there is something physically wrong with them. Life is a journey of discovery that requires rigorous scientific/intellectual honesty.

I want to know why and how events unfold.
Here's a good book to understand how the last 5 decades unfolded. It's a book by the Oxford Press, commissioned as an addition to their "Studies in Post World War Two Political Development". Post-grad text book. An awakening read for those who didn't experience the 1960's and '70's as adults.

Rule and Ruin: The Downfall of Moderation and the Destruction of the Republican Party, From Eisenhower to the Tea Party (Studies in Postwar American Political Development): Geoffrey Kabaservice: 9780199768400: Amazon.com: Books
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Could Jungle's presence here as a right-wing thought leader be any more obvious?
Jungle might take exception to being called "right wing".... I know I would.
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SuperConductor Dude... what has got my attention is The Fourth Turning....

The Fourth Turning

Conversations with Great Minds with Neil Howe, Pt 1 - YouTube

History repeats itself in cycles... what is not preordained though is man's response to repetitive cycles..... thus the opportunity for progress.

Interested in yours and Jungle's reply...
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SuperConductor Dude... what has got my attention is The Fourth Turning....

The Fourth Turning

Conversations with Great Minds with Neil Howe, Pt 1 - YouTube

History repeats itself in cycles... what is not preordained though is man's response to repetitive cycles..... thus the opportunity for progress.

Interested in yours and Jungle's reply...
I see. You're looking for a complete picture. Once encompassing not only economics and politics, but anthropology. Both books summaries appear to touch on all those paradigms. You may have found a book or two there I'd be interested in as well. Thanks for the centrist recommendations.

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Jungle might take exception to being called "right wing".... I know I would.
Ever since electoral response to Berry Goldwaters bombastic rhetoric at the 1964 Republican National Convention, where he proclaimed "Let me remind you, extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice...and let me also remind you moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." damned him to one of the worst presidential losses in US history, right-wing conservatives are loath to accept the title to their political extremism. Every extremist sees their views as centrist. It's why people who watch Fox News think every other media outlet it too Liberal. To a contemporary Right-wing radical even Barry Goldwater's rhetoric would be considered too leftist.

Anyway. I think it's time that Jungles incessant Right-wing innuendo and ultra-conservative thought leading in this forum end. It's OBVIOUSLY against forum rules. No political or religious posts. Period. Atlas Shrugged it the premier Ultra-Conservative indoctrination Bible. In fact, many are even beholden to it as just that: a conservative Bible. Early conservative Radicals like William F Buckley Jr. and Clifton White, editors of The National Review made references to it one of the cornerstones of their literary demagoguery.

This reply has been copied and saved to a file for later use. It is clear that one or many of the moderators here on APC have a conservative agenda and if you post something contrary to it, that post is deleted. Censored. Just like Communist Russia. It appears the very freedoms that these conservative thought leaders attempt to terrify us with the loss of are being fully exercised here on APC.

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By using "right wing" you are allowing yourself to be identified by the standard "communism (left) reactionary (right) spectrum. In which case Buckley IS on the right.

But for those who love liberty the scale is totalitarianism and anarchy.... We prefer liberty... And "the right" or "far right" doesn't support liberty (Buckley).

And to bring this back to airlines... The more totalitarianism the more destructive it is to our industry.

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By using "right wing" you are allowing yourself to be identified by the standard "communism (left) reactionary (right) spectrum. In which case Buckley IS on the right.

But for those who love liberty the scale is totalitarianism and anarchy.... We prefer liberty... And "the right" or "far right" doesn't support liberty (Buckley).

And to bring this back to airlines... The more totalitarianism the more destructive it is to our industry.

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As to me being a Leftist by correctly assigning the label of Right-wing to Jungle would be incorrect. Even moderates from the 1960's GOP referred to conservatives as "Right-wing". Example.

A Republican describing Conservatives

"A fanatical neo-facsist political cult of right-wingers in the GOP, driven by a strange mixture of corrosive hatred and sickening fear that is recklessly determined to control our party or destroy it!" - Republican Senator Thomas Kuchel 1966.

I suppose now a Republican Senator will be Leftist too.

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Old 01-31-2013, 01:41 PM
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Just to make it clear, I consider all politicos nothing more than greasy pimps running a tacky yard sale on human rights.

Your branding me as a "right wing leader" is funny, see if you can find any post I have made supporting any politico. I have certainly mocked a great many ideas, because they are bad-whatever the source.

Your indignation at having your "rights" clipped here is equally funny, you gave them up at the door here of your own free will.

Label your collection of "wrongs" you catalog here "My own lack of understanding".


I must tell you your endless, unreasoned, insane rants are a perfect example of what the owners of this site do not want-examples of completely dogmatic indoctrination.

At least you might respect their property rights.

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Just to make it clear, I consider all politicos nothing more than greasy pimps running a tacky yard sale on human rights.
My condolences to your self-loathing. Below, I'll prove you are then your own dissident here on APC if that's the way you feel about politicos.

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Your branding me as a "right wing leader" is funny, see if you can find any post I have made supporting any politico. I have certainly mocked a great many ideas, because they are bad-whatever the source.
You'll find them below.

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Your indignation at having your "rights" clipped here is equally funny, you gave them up at the door here of your own free will.
My rights, per the TOS, is to not have to put up with your politi-baiting on a website where it is strictly forbidden. This is not FACEBOOK. Those were the representations made to me in a legally binding contract. Are we clear?

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Label your collection of "wrongs" you catalog here "My own lack of understanding".
Then allow me to clear it up for you.

Originally Posted by jungle
I must tell you your endless, unreasoned, insane rants are a perfect example of what the owners of this site do not want-examples of completely dogmatic indoctrination.

At least you might respect their property rights.
I would suggest that the wishes and implied "property rights" are expressed by the owners, in the TOS, and you have shown a history on not being able to live up to them.

Your self reported "current position" here on APC is "Burning the Agitprop of the Apparat". Wull...Wull gosh? What does that mean? It's so...cryptic? Not to a person of intellect it's not.

What is "Agitprop"? For those not politically astute, that is a clear reference "is the systematic spreading and thorough explanation of political, philosophical, economic, historical, as well as scientific, technical, and other types of ideas by the political leadership of a movement, society or organization, advancing the effectiveness of political persuasion and training on the target, leading to rapid action, or mobilization.
Agitprop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What is Apparat? Or rather, I should ask, what is "Apparatchik"? Defined as "A Russian colloquial term for a full-time, professional function of the Communist Party or government; i.e., an agent of the governmental or party "apparat" (apparatus) that held any position of bureaucratic or political responsibility, with the exception of the higher ranks of management."
Apparatchik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Further, You even write, "Just another slave on the Marxist plantation" on your profile page.

It is obvious that you see yourself as a guardian of conservative thought on this forum. Who else would start a thread whose punch-line is a Rubic's Cube covered in the former flag of the USSR. A Rubics Cube wherein there is no "solving" to do. Every side is covered in red. You simply pick up the cube, you win. It's obviously a hyperbole on the meritocracy espoused in the novel Atlas Shrugged, the Right-wing conservatives moral compass and raison d'être.

You continually make political augments congruent to even early McCarthy ideologies, leaving no opportunity to rail against your liberal enemy - or shall I say Agitprop - unexploited.

Post #438
Jungle: "We do know that no matter how much money the UN or Gore may pry from your hands climate is unlikely to change as a result."
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/hangar-talk/63562-climategate-final-chapter-44.html#post1311097

Oh, but your attacks on Gore, don't end there. As instructed by the Ultra-Conservative Koch brothers and their message machine, The Cato Institute, you make attacks on the globally accepted theory of climate change,

Post #430 and #435
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/hangar-talk/63562-climategate-final-chapter-43.html#post1308708


In this thread you plant a link to a video which begins with monkeys, but that ends in messages with political conspiracy against democracy. Who's to blame? Liberals, of course.
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http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/money-talk/71389-must-watch-what-if-money-no-object.html#post1301027

What Conservative wouldn't be complete without a heavy does of anti-union rhetoric? Well, Jungle's got it! Here, you link to an Anti-Union, partisan article
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/hangar-talk/71195-beyond-twinkies-ding-dongs-ho-hos-3.html#post1296590


Oh but you're not done posting political opinion articles about unions. Here's a thread you started started called,
"Now Unions Fully Stocked up on Crazy"
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/union-talk/69191-unions-now-fully-stocked-up-crazy.html

Jungle, I could really care less about what you believe politically and why you believe in it. As a Centrist I recognize the need for the powers both of the Right, and the Left in Capitalism. If one would fail, Adam Smith would roll over in his grave. But your continued political rants, innuendo, hyperbole, politi-baiting and demagoguery in these forums will end.

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