UPT: PIC, SIC, or something else?
12-05-2015, 11:28 AM
#21
Get me outta here...
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Position: Boeing right seat
Posts: 1,541
Oh yes... I'm well aware. I too spent 18 months in the airline industry, and logged hours that way. I find it ludicrous, hence my reply.
As requested, Chapter 3 starting on page 59 covers logging time in the AF:
http://static.e-publishing.af.mil/pr.../afi11-401.pdf
As requested, Chapter 3 starting on page 59 covers logging time in the AF:
http://static.e-publishing.af.mil/pr.../afi11-401.pdf
12-05-2015, 03:46 PM
#22
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,624
Oh yes... I'm well aware. I too spent 18 months in the airline industry, and logged hours that way. I find it ludicrous, hence my reply.
As requested, Chapter 3 starting on page 59 covers logging time in the AF:
http://static.e-publishing.af.mil/pr.../afi11-401.pdf
As requested, Chapter 3 starting on page 59 covers logging time in the AF:
http://static.e-publishing.af.mil/pr.../afi11-401.pdf
The rest of the world logs PIC time and it is defined by block time, not actual flying time (PRI), or watching someone else fly time (SEC), or I'm on the flight doing nothing (Other time). Only the USAF does this. Yet, the USAF asks you for your "PIC" time (which it doesn't track) for Go/No-Go and ORM checklist purposes (so F'd up).
I just find it suspect that a commander would put two IPs on a flight, giving one person the A code (PIC designation for you civilian types), and both expected to give instruction to each other per the flight authorization.
As I said, it's shady, but that's how the USAF does flying time.
12-06-2015, 07:01 PM
#23
Get me outta here...
Joined APC: Oct 2008
Position: Boeing right seat
Posts: 1,541
My apologies for my "strong attitude" in my post. You're right: there are a number of goofy "gee, that's odd" things that the AF does. I suppose that since it has made up the bulk of my aviation experience, it's somewhat normal to me.
Although perfectly legal, I have always thought it odd that we can log time on the ground after pushback. I wonder how that discussion went decades ago when they decided it.
Your point is well taken, sir.
Although perfectly legal, I have always thought it odd that we can log time on the ground after pushback. I wonder how that discussion went decades ago when they decided it.
Your point is well taken, sir.
12-06-2015, 11:44 PM
#25
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: 767 Captain
Posts: 3,989
Aside from the pay issue (which probably came later), how about the obvious. You're operating the aircraft and are just as responsible to the regulating authority for dragging a wheel in the grass or runway excursion as you would be for an altitude bust.
I suppose you could advocate we should have taxi time and flight time. I guess the early powers that be (were?) probably never envisioned the possibility of a conga line at ORD on a busy pm wave. In the big picture of taxi vs flight percentage, it really doesn't matter.
I suppose you could advocate we should have taxi time and flight time. I guess the early powers that be (were?) probably never envisioned the possibility of a conga line at ORD on a busy pm wave. In the big picture of taxi vs flight percentage, it really doesn't matter.
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