AV-8B type looking for future advice
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I just retired out of Kingsville, flying the Goshawk, though I was a mainly an intermediate IP being a former COD driver. You will build flight time down here, you will get 1000 hours in three years (I was a wing guy and got 675 hours in 2 years and I flew less than the squadron guys), barring being med down, personal issues, etc. In addition, being a Harrier guy, if you want to become an air to air guy, you will. But be careful what you wish for, once you are a BFM guy, you stay one. Three BFM hops a day gets rough to be rough on the body and spirit I hear.
I am employed with a Regional right now (AWAC) and if it weren't for my retirement pay, I would not go the Regional route at all. I don't blame you about worrying about the pay cut as the money is awful. It's almost an insult for experienced pilots (I mean both civilian and military) but it is what it is.
I am employed with a Regional right now (AWAC) and if it weren't for my retirement pay, I would not go the Regional route at all. I don't blame you about worrying about the pay cut as the money is awful. It's almost an insult for experienced pilots (I mean both civilian and military) but it is what it is.
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Going to a training slot is good for the hours. Would you be able go to a T-44 unit? I'm just thinking about the ME turbine time. Serious question for others, wouldn't he have a hard time getting a non-RJ like a pilot who has 1000 TPIC in a Caravan and little/no multi time?
I'm 100% the USAF probably does things different, but the Hornet community did have slightly different syllabuses for the different communities coming through transition training. If you were a former TomCat guy then the FTR syllabus was shortened and if you were a A-6 guy then obviously the strike syllabus was shortened.
Bunk -
In addition, being a Harrier guy, if you want to become an air to air guy, you will. But be careful what you wish for, once you are a BFM guy, you stay one. Three BFM hops a day gets rough to be rough on the body and spirit I hear.
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Actually I enjoyed the strike and BFM and 2v2 stuff much more than other aspects of the FTR syllabus, but BFM hops are pretty much cream of the crop. I will say though - and only experiencing it from the student side of the training command - those BFM flights were pretty scripted. If I hadn't gotten my last of orders I would have been looking to join you down there in Kingsville!
Par - you asked about conversions. Those vary by airline and you'll have to be careful to apply the correct conversion factor to your times. There is a debate about whether to apply those factors is you already meet the required minimums - probably safest to have both ready - but you shouldn't nee them by the time you leave the training command.
Once you are instructing in the training command - go over to Sheppard Air and look into the military equivalency instructor ratings. There are a few good threads here on APC too.
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It's not entirely true. Just hired a harrier guy that flew T-6s at Vance, then came to TW-4 staff and got on the C-12. Once you have the jet qual no one will let you go anywhere else but jets. This was his twilight tour in Corpus and he got some love.
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With the F-35 looking like it may finally hit the fleet in a few years, I suspect that multi time is going to be getting tougher and tougher for strike fighter guys.
Bunk, I may have to pick your brain in the regional thing. I really don't want to have to go that route, but if I don't get called by the majors and want to stay n the game, it might become a necessary evil.
Bunk, I may have to pick your brain in the regional thing. I really don't want to have to go that route, but if I don't get called by the majors and want to stay n the game, it might become a necessary evil.
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Bunk -
Come on now!
Actually I enjoyed the strike and BFM and 2v2 stuff much more than other aspects of the FTR syllabus, but BFM hops are pretty much cream of the crop. I will say though - and only experiencing it from the student side of the training command - those BFM flights were pretty scripted. If I hadn't gotten my last of orders I would have been looking to join you down there in Kingsville!
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Actually I enjoyed the strike and BFM and 2v2 stuff much more than other aspects of the FTR syllabus, but BFM hops are pretty much cream of the crop. I will say though - and only experiencing it from the student side of the training command - those BFM flights were pretty scripted. If I hadn't gotten my last of orders I would have been looking to join you down there in Kingsville!
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Buddy of mine, a former Harrier driver just retired out of Corpus, he flew both the C-12 and T-45. Anything is possible, even when not normal.
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What Bunk said. I got over 1000 hrs in Kingsville in 3 years. I had 2 kids at home so I didn't go on the road much, but some of the IPs who liked to grab a student and hit the road on the weekends got 1500 hrs in same amount of time. It's the land of misfit toys, but I absolutely loved it. Lots of Harrier bubbas there, most of them good sticks, but terrible poker players....
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With the F-35 looking like it may finally hit the fleet in a few years, I suspect that multi time is going to be getting tougher and tougher for strike fighter guys.
Bunk, I may have to pick your brain in the regional thing. I really don't want to have to go that route, but if I don't get called by the majors and want to stay n the game, it might become a necessary evil.
Bunk, I may have to pick your brain in the regional thing. I really don't want to have to go that route, but if I don't get called by the majors and want to stay n the game, it might become a necessary evil.
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The stories, maybe fish stories, of the Goshawk drivers beating up on new/relatively inexperienced Hornets in 2 v 1 scenarios. I'm guessing most of the top notch fleet guys go to the FRS...though that's not always the case for all communities as I went to the FRS as an IP
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But these guys get beat up doing BFM, 3 times a day, day after day. The 45 seat isn't exactly the best for the back. I did a few BFM flights and dozen plus tac form flights towards the end. The tac forms weren't too bad on the back as I recall.
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Marine jet types can go to Primary flight training. My old skipper at VT-6, Col Ball was a Hornet driver and we had over a half dozen Marine AV-8B and Hornet drivers....maybe one Prowler type. Rarely do I see a Navy jet guy in a primary squadron. I was E2/C2 and it's tough for us to go primary as well.
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