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Old 05-23-2011, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Well I think they are going to be short about 1,000 fighters too, so it should all work out.
Generally, I agree with you, but necessarily...they keep extending the hours of how long we can fly our fighters. They have to to keep up with the ever extending timeline for the F-35. Jets that were once on the chopping block, are now being pushed out even farther.

Also, realize that many of these positions are not even in the cockpit. ALO, Staff, CAOC, MC-12, and UAV are all jobs that need to be filled as well.

To USAFE Fighter Pilots

You may have heard the story about a Captain fighter pilot who wrote a letter to the Commander of Tactical Air Command a couple of years after the end of the Vietnam War. The letter started "Dear Boss, Well, I quit" and went on to list the frustrations that he and his peers were experiencing. I just read a more recent version, written in 2009. It's attached to this note. If you believe the author, some things may not have changed much in 30 years.

Our Air Force is in a dynamic state of change and its leaders need to know why some of their most talented, highly trained people are leaving. As we transition to a 5th Generation fighter force, we simply can't afford to lose front line fighter pilots at our current rate.

I understand that it's a busy time to be in the Air Force. The fighter community is faced with an increasing ops tempo, fewer fighters, less flying, more non-flying jobs and an unclear career sight picture. My gut feeling is that this combination contributes to good people leaving, but I doubt these are the only factors. I suspect some of the issues raised in the Dear Boss letter are also in play. But, most importantly, I don't know for sure. And I don't believe AF leaders can make smart fighter pilot force management decisions until we do.

So, I have a favor to ask. I'd like to hear your thoughts on what is driving fighter pilot retention down. You can send them directly to my CAG at [removed]. They'll strip names off the inputs, then pass them to me, unedited. I'm looking for the ground truth as you see it, not the filtered, watered-down "this is what the boss wants to hear" truth. Once I've seen it all, I'll give you some feedback...including what I plan to do with the info.

Let me close by saying "Thank You" to you and your families for all of your hard work and sacrifice. You, and so many other great Airmen in so many career fields, are the reason we're the world's greatest Air Force. But no matter how good we are, we need to get better. When your job is to fight and win your Nation's wars, you can never be good enough. I will do everything in my power to make USAFE more combat capable; that includes trying to keep our best fighter pilots on Active Duty. If you think "best fighter pilot" refers to you, please let me know what you think. If you don't, this note isn't for you.

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Old 05-24-2011, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Also, realize that many of these positions are not even in the cockpit. ALO, Staff, CAOC, MC-12, and UAV are all jobs that need to be filled as well.
One of these is not like the others...
... and it is a cockpit/flying job.
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Originally Posted by HuggyU2
One of these is not like the others...
... and it is a cockpit/flying job.
Son of a B!tch! Proofread!



Also, realize that many of these positions are not even in a FIGHTER cockpit. ALO, Staff, CAOC, MC-12, and UAV are all jobs that need to be filled as well.
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I'll also mention that the fighter pilots (actually, all pilots currently) that go to the MC-12 spend about 9-12 months there (including 3 weeks in Atlanta or Wichita, and 2 months of MQ at Beale), and then return to their fighter assignment.
All in all, a pretty good deal.
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Old 05-25-2011, 05:04 PM
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Does anyone have any info on the upcoming AFRC UPT board? thats kinda where I wanted to direct the discussion when I started the topic.

Have been on hold for a year waiting on things to pan out and have no feel for who things are going to go!

Is anyone else applying?
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Old 05-25-2011, 07:30 PM
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What airline hiring boom?
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Old 05-27-2011, 04:55 PM
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Not applying, went to UPT in the Carter administration, but my friend at 22AF says the board will go and there is no change in AFRC UPT slots. Also, if anything, retirements will lead o more slots. Taking the UAV guys out of the track will improve things for everyone.

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Thanks for the update GF. Was not picked up by the last board which was a real zinger. Re applied this go around and actually found some paperwork in my packet that was probably the reason. Thank God i caught it.......hopefully last boards result will not replicate. crossing fingers.
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Originally Posted by HuggyU2
I'll also mention that the fighter pilots (actually, all pilots currently) that go to the MC-12 spend about 9-12 months there (including 3 weeks in Atlanta or Wichita, and 2 months of MQ at Beale), and then return to their fighter assignment.
All in all, a pretty good deal.
True in theory, but reality is that almost every single dude does not just step right back into their fighter assignment. They pretty much all move on to another (different) assignment. That's mostly based on timing (happens to be time to move on) but as the MC-12 time commitment keeps extending, guys are going to be hitting the time-out-of-the-jet trigger that requires a TX course. That's mostly a non-starter as the AF won't spend the coin to TX a guy who will be moving on to another assignment shortly anyway.

I'm not saying it's never happened. I'm simply pointing out my own personal non-scientific observation and saying that of the 15 or so guys I know that have gone to the MC-12, not a single one of them has returned to fly the same jet they left from. Not so sure that's the "good deal" that it appears to be on paper.
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as the MC-12 time commitment keeps extending
What extensions to the MC-12 time commitment?
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