dtfl

If you are separated for a failed PFT you will not be eligible for the Reserves. We are implementing the same program.

Jughead

It's amazing we ever got an airplane off the ground back in "the day" with all those big waistlines.

C-17 Driver

wow, that just sucks! How close to graduation was he?

GunshipGuy

Possibly, but the military is doing what it typically does when it sees the purse strings tightening--go after the low hanging fruit (in this case labor). Generals don't want to give up their F-22s; don't want to work on fixing the system which requires much harder work in determining where the waste is (e.g. flying out programmed flying hours, reducing unnecessary TDYs, etc, etc, etc). So they say they're fat (pardon the pun) on personnel, and make their cuts, only to realize two years later they shouldn't have. So then you'll see them bringing people back in (remember the folks who were RIF'd in '92/'93 coming back two/three years later?).

RogAir

Why would you not be eligible for the Reserves? Guys who wrote "do not promote me" letters got passed over twice, kicked out, and still got on with the Reserves (and then got promoted!). I'm sure all Reserve units hate the new system (mine does), and would probably give bonus points to the renegade who used the AF's policy against the AF to get out. Just because you failed the PT test on AD doesn't mean you can't start training and pass it for the Reserve unit (whom I would imagine would want you to pass the PT test as a pre-condition to getting hired).

All it took last time was a few renegades to exploit the AF's policy and the word spread like wildfire. The AF lost hundreds of pilots before they found a way to shut the door. This time they will have to change the policy to say that if you are valuable (pilot) then we won't separate you if you fail--then the lawsuits start and so on and so on...

As for the airlines, if your discharge reason comes up at the interview I would say, "I couldn't do 20 pushups in a minute; does your airline have a pushup requirement?"

dtfl

The Reserves fall under the same rules as AD! You should know that. We are implementing the SAME PT test. As a matter of fact the AFRC CC is trying to make us more like AD every day. If someone is separated from AD for failing the PFT they will not be able to enter the reserves.....if they fail the test then separate maybe..if they are SEPARATED...no. I am betting that if they get passed over on AD it will be harder to get into AFRC these days. Times have changed.

GasNGo

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to get out. I max the pushups and sit-ups, and my 1.5 time is 12:00.

I'm pretty sure the honorable discharge will come with a re-enlistment code prohibiting the guard and reserves. Also I don't think I'd get any separation pay. If you tried to fail they could certainly give you a general dicharge or worse!

reCALcitrant

Commissioned officers cannot be reduced in rank by a court-martial, nor can they be given a bad conduct discharge or a dishonorable discharge. If an officer is convicted by a General Court-Martial, then that officer's sentence can include a "dismissal." This is considered to be the same as a dishonorable discharge. An officer convicted at court-martial, but not sentenced to a dismissal, can be dropped from the rolls, by the service Secretary. That is an administrative separation, not punitive. See Goldsmith v. Clinton, 48 M.J. 84 (C.A.A.F. 1998),

Fom wikipedia. Accurate as far as I can dig.

SFWB

The AF isn't about making sense. I hurt my back, couldn't do push ups, sit ups, or run. I failed the test because I was/am fat. I laughed because they were in the process of kicking me out because of a back injury in the line of duty. Wow. They made me attend "you are fat meetings" at the base gym. Ha. And they still kicked me out because I was not fit for service due to my back. Still have FAA medical saying I can fly and still fly. You figure out the AF if you can.

KC10 FATboy

I hope you get some type of disability. If not, go see your local VA and see if they can help.

The USAF is without a doubt the most dysfunctional organization I have ever been a part of.